superiorno1pne
Preston North End
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Post by superiorno1pne on Oct 28, 2023 19:38:56 GMT
There can be only one …..🥱I will get my coat😀😀😀
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dawsonsjs
Preston North End
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Post by dawsonsjs on Oct 28, 2023 19:47:12 GMT
I am always loathe to comment after matches I have not personally seen but in this instance the debate reflects on Lowe. I consider that there was an option to Ledson. Last Weds for a period Lowe had two strikers on the pitch...and what a difference it made.
If you are going to play a lone striker away from home then you are obviosuly not going to get many chances, especially without a creative player behind them. MF was left on the bench...I've no argument with this because he was off the pace on Weds but if you are not going with creative player you need more than one isolated striker and a midfield that sits back.I havn't even looked at the BBC text yet but I'd wager we created little and had few shots...it's so predictable.
As I see it there's two main issues with Lowe - obstinacy... keeps doing the same thing expecting a different outcome - favouritism....likes of Ledson and Brady would not get near a line up at most Champ clubs --- Gina's suggestions seem reasonable but I question the feasibility and affordability. I'm not convinced that Woodman would attract that much in a transfer fee....his distribution is weak. After an uncertain start Davies seems to have grown on at least some Rangers fans and Leicester were asking too much for Iversen last summer (and his wages there would be an issue). I'm rarely convinced by players 'coming back'.
Hughes is very decent lcb...he is good enough but his repeated absences are not tolerable.
A top 6 place is not out of the question given how open the division is, but the team needs some strengthening and a manager who can think and act with a degree of considered strategy and not rigid blinkered obstinacy.
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Oct 28, 2023 19:49:53 GMT
No thank you to Ainsworth......I think he is great at motivating and getting the best out of very average players but his strategic thinking has been caught out now too much in the Championship. Given the players at QPR they should be higher than they are..they have gone backwards since he arrived.
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Phantom Winger
Preston North End
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 28, 2023 20:06:16 GMT
Sadly I’ve given up. Also fed up with the site. Have posted now for quite a while but mysteriously am no longer recognised. Rejoined with new name. Sorry about that Tom.
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Phantom Winger
Preston North End
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 28, 2023 20:09:27 GMT
We've got the points on the board and are 1 off the play offs. Would take that after a third of the season played. However, I've never felt less enthused about going to Deepdale since Westley.
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superiorno1pne
Preston North End
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Post by superiorno1pne on Oct 28, 2023 20:09:33 GMT
The players must find it hard at QPR when the gaffer turns up looking like a cross between AC/DC and Jonny Cash
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Post by walburghian on Oct 28, 2023 20:21:54 GMT
The players must find it hard at QPR when the gaffer turns up looking like a cross between AC/DC and Jonny Cash Haha
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Post by px6 on Oct 28, 2023 20:25:54 GMT
Bringing on Woodburn over Mads is almost a sackable offence in itself.
He must have a pretty good reason for that? Woodburns done nothing for two years. Mads has 3 goals and a few assist already.
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Post by walburghian on Oct 28, 2023 21:55:30 GMT
Bringing on Woodburn over Mads is almost a sackable offence in itself. He must have a pretty good reason for that? Woodburns done nothing for two years. Mads has 3 goals and a few assist already. He's past his Sell-by date
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Post by walburghian on Oct 28, 2023 22:20:05 GMT
Just listened to RL's comments - Conman
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Phantom Winger
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 28, 2023 22:53:18 GMT
Sounds harsh but if we can get 40 points on the board I'd look to replace Lowe not long after. There's a huge squad turnover around the corner and I'm not sure I want him to oversee it. He can't even staff his beloved wing back formation.
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chris1987
Preston North End
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Post by chris1987 on Oct 28, 2023 23:01:22 GMT
Disappointing result but didn't think we deserved to get beat today, I might be on my own in thinking this perhaps.
From what I could see we changed system today to a back 4 instead of wingbacks which many north end fans have been asking for. I thought we looked better for it too. One criticism of Lowe for me is he was married stubbornly to that wingback system so a change is a positive sign.
Mads dropped, I get that. Away from home we want to be pressing high and aggressive with energy. Mads certainly isn't the man for that job. Personally thought Browne did really well as the no:10. Selection justified. Not sure why Mads was snubbed in favour Woodburn/Brady though.
I was baffled by the inclusion of Ledson but with McCann missing and Browne playing the no:10 I can perhaps see why he was included in a midfield 2 with Whiteman to add a bit of bite. To be fair to Ledson I thought he had a decent game and I am not usually a fan of Ledson at all.
Millar for me was very wasteful and slow to release ball which ultimately started the move that cost us the goal. Not saying the goal was Millar's fault at all, their lad had plenty to do to score.
Another blatant penalty ignored today which is very frustrating, Ched unlucky not to score too. We had chances and I feel we created more today than recent games, perhaps I am wrong.
Was impressed with Delap for Hull looked really lively causing problems driving at us. Their winger who scored the goal was quality although perhaps shouldn't have been able to scored like that relatively unchallenged. We had dealt with him pretty well up till that point by doubling up on him.
Not sure Lowe should be getting pelters today other than for the Woodburn sub (which kind of signals we've given up once he's being subbed on). On another day we get a fairly respectable draw and onto the Coventry game with a new more positive set up. Should Lowe be gone? After Millwall game I'd have said possibly yes but Southampton performance much improved and today I think we were a bit unlucky, he's moved away from the rubbish wingback system so that is progress. I'd like to see if things improve from this point onwards without the wingback set up.
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Post by themaclad on Oct 29, 2023 7:40:10 GMT
Probably didn't do enough yesterday to be fair they probably didn't either Philogene best player on the pitch made up for his horrendous balls up before half time. Ledson starting alongside Whiteman suggests a negative performance didn't work at Ipswich so it wasn't going to work at Hull. Browne outstanding yesterday, as for the penalties pointless bothering could have had two in 15 seconds but hey rock and roll. Losing two with injury at the same time also wasn't helpful and for those who think Potts has no pace don't recall that Saints defender being able to stop him on his was to goal. We are unable to best the top sides in the league which tells us where we are as a club
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superiorno1pne
Preston North End
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Post by superiorno1pne on Oct 29, 2023 10:23:28 GMT
I fear we have some of our supporters feeling a little sorry for Lowe and stating the obvious from,we were unlucky, we don’t have the finances to compete,injuries etc. Well we did not have such a bad team the other night when we were on the front foot and should have taken 3 points. The responsibility lies with the manager I knew today would be judgement day if he knew what he was doing and perhaps with the same performance as the other night I maybe able to stomach the Scouse blag. Sadly not to be,back to the same old negative boring football we are used to witnessing which points to what I have known pretty much all along he is out of his depth at this level. He does not know what to do he cannot change tactics to plan B (he doesn’t have one) He is too loyal to mediocre players and even more galling he thinks that people who know and understand the game cannot see it! I assume we are in the bottom three of the form guide and we all know the footballing gods where with us at the beginning of the season. I wonder what he is thinking about this morning? I hope it is Alan Brownes back it can’t be too good carrying the rest of the team on it. Mr Lowe it’s not personal one day you might become a good manager and I hope you do however, not now not with my club. We know that Potts Storey Ledson can be improved (so you offer them extended contacts) we know that hoof ball does not work despite your claims of fast flowing exciting football we know that a striker in isolation seldomly works at this lever (teams are not good enough to play it) And all teams will get poor decisions from officials. It is all immaterial to me the only clear thing I know he is not the answer.
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Post by Mooney on Oct 29, 2023 10:34:24 GMT
Sadly I’ve given up. Also fed up with the site. Have posted now for quite a while but mysteriously am no longer recognised. Rejoined with new name. Message me Tom. We can work out if your old account has been somehow blocked and I can try to unblock it.
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Post by walburghian on Oct 29, 2023 11:02:01 GMT
Thanks for that report Chris, it explains why Ledson was in with Browne further forwards.
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chris1987
Preston North End
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Post by chris1987 on Oct 29, 2023 11:35:20 GMT
After the Millwall game Superior I was totally on the same page as you currently are and I get it. 👍
What I would say is if Lowe is showing no signs of trying to find solutions to our current form and performances then he deserves all the criticism he receives. Saints performance midweek much improved and yesterday was a change of set up. To me that is a huge step forward.
As much as you don't want to give Lowe excuses but had McCann come in for Ledson and Hughes come in for Cunningham then you'd fancy that starting 11 being pretty strong, injuries are a contributing factor sometimes. I think Lowe picked his strongest 11 and set up to tackle that Game yesterday, not sure what more he could have done.
Personally I dont believe we set up negatively yesterday. I didn't watch a negative performance. We created chances and looked more of a threat going forward. There wasn't much in either side yesterday from what I saw but we had spells on top and had that blatant penalty been given we go on to win that game for my money. Fine margins and a moment of brilliance from a quality player settled it. It happens, there have been plenty of weekends where Lowe's performance has been heavily under scrutiny and rightly so but yesterday is not one of them if we are going to be fair.
Like I said the criticism I could give Lowe for yesterday is not bringing Mads on for last 10 mins when Hull had brought on the extra midfielder and Cyrus Christie in an attempt to see the game out and we needed a bit more guile.
Mclad, Whiteman and Ledson didn't start the game as a midfield pair Vs Ipswich. Whiteman came on second half and brought a change of set which saw a huge improvement in performance I am sure we'd all agree.
We continue with the set up we had yesterday Vs Coventry next weekend and we'll win the game is my feeling. Add the missing players to the mix and the picture will start to look a lot more positive moving forwards. 👀
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superiorno1pne
Preston North End
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Post by superiorno1pne on Oct 29, 2023 12:43:35 GMT
Ok Chris as always it is a game of opinions I do not want him to fail or the club I just don’t see he is the answer. Quick question if we lose against Coventry what will you say?
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chris1987
Preston North End
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Post by chris1987 on Oct 29, 2023 12:57:20 GMT
Ok Chris as always it is a game of opinions I do not want him to fail or the club I just don’t see he is the answer. Quick question if we lose against Coventry what will you say? Absolutely Superior I definitely respect and understand your opinion, funny how we all see things differently. 👍 Ask me after Coventry game 😜 and should we tuck Coventry away playing the same system what might you say? 👀🤔 I think my mood and view will largely depend on performance and how we attack the game. I will take steady improvements and learns. If we revert back to Millwall set up and performance then I'll join the Lowe out party.
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superiorno1pne
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Post by superiorno1pne on Oct 30, 2023 16:37:33 GMT
Hi Chris and fellow pebblers,feeling better today at last! Right my take on things, when you know that you have obvious weaknesses/limitations in the squad, Ledson,(too many to mention) Potts Lyndsey Storey the latter two no pace. Add Cunningham (Injuries caught up with him sadly) Brady again a season too many. Now I appreciate their limitations that would be reflected in their selling value and our paying and pulling power to get them to Deepdale in the first place (we just dont have the money that some clubs have.) I do feel for Lowe.He starts the season, as anybody who takes over at Deepdale on an uphill trajectory. BD had some players who were limited Sedgwick in particular but he never let the team down he had a manager who could get the best out of him and others. Right, before I am accused of being infatuated with wee Billy I studied his tactics his unbeaten run and the superb way we were playing at the time and I came to the conclusion if you are playing superior opposition you dont let them play you start on the front foot you press all over the pitch you let none of the opposition settle, yes you msy run out of steam towards the end however by then the hard work is done and you have the points in the bag. Right we did that against Soton and blow me down we should have taken all 3 points. To me it aint rocket science! Now many will justifiably say yes, but we had a better team under BD which I can accept. What I cant accept is Lowes inability to know what we can do or not do with the players we have.His current hoof ball one man up front with no closing down is a recipe for disaster, and his ultimate demise. One last thing, If North End had gone up that year instead of West Ham we would have more than held our own because of team spirit and a belief in the manager no I did not say it Richard Cresswell told me!
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