Phantom Winger
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 24, 2023 8:19:08 GMT
Preston North End v Southampton
Deepdale Stadium
Wednesday 25th October 2023
KO 7.45pm
We find ourselves 4th in the league with a quarter of the season already gone. 21 points from 12 games. We also haven't won any of the last five league games. Definitely on a downward trend but everyone at Deepdale was enthused by the long awaited return of Ched Evans. His impact was noticeable and it looks like he's returning at the right time. In addition, I would like Lowe to start with the guile of Browne and pace of Millar. Too often the North End faithful are bemused by the team selection and subsequent substitutions. The team formation has long been a discussion point. As for Southampton, Russell Martin also has some changes to consider making, though their improved form will mean that he does not want to make too many alterations. Che Adams could come back into the starting line-up, whilst Carlos Alcaraz's position will be of interest, with him playing as a false nine against Hull City. The Saints are in good form losing only once in the last five games winning three out of the last four. So they arrive at Deepdale in good spirits. Deepdale under lights and live on sky sports arena. Bring it on. |
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Oct 24, 2023 8:31:26 GMT
I'm having to think about this one having been laid up since the match on Saturday.
I'm beginning to think that a season that started full of (false) promises could end up a struggle to watch. I've no doubt that Lowe's match strategy will be the usual 3 at the back , one up front and two defensive central midfielders. What's wrong with it? It produces quite boring football when you have two wbs hanging back.
I'm not just physically sick but proverbially sick of watching Lowe's favourites...I've had enough of the likes of Ledson and Brady, I can stomach Potts when he gets his finger out but that's nothing like often enough.
What's wrong in just going for it? (I suspect most followers expect us to lose anyway to a side that appears to have got its act together..and so it should with the players there).
Given McCann and Hughes out I'd go
Woodman
Storey Lindsay Cunningham
Millar Browne Whiteman Holmes Best
MF
Keane
Chances of this? About as much as Lowe talking sense.
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Phantom Winger
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 24, 2023 8:39:43 GMT
I'm having to think about this one having been laid up since the match on Saturday. I'm beginning to think that a season that started full of (false) promises could end up a struggle to watch. I've no doubt that Lowe's match strategy will be the usual 3 at the back , one up front and two defensive central midfielders. What's wrong with it? It produces quite boring football when you have two wbs hanging back. I'm not just physically sick but proverbially sick of watching Lowe's favourites...I've had enough of the likes of Ledson and Brady, I can stomach Potts when he gets his finger out but that's nothing like often enough. What's wrong in just going for it? (I suspect most followers expect us to lose anyway to a side that appears to have got its act together..and so it should with the players there). Given McCann and Hughes out I'd go Woodman Storey Lindsay Cunningham Millar Browne Whiteman Holmes Best MF Keane Chances of this? About as much as Lowe talking sense. Hope you feel better soon Daws. Like the look of that side. |
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Post by walburghian on Oct 24, 2023 12:50:13 GMT
I have spoken about passing backwards all the time, which is the current fad with Premiership League teams but we're not one & neither do we have the skills to benefit from such play. I would like RL to inject some Pace & Direct play. Ergo, Best @ LWB, whatever his inexperience + Holmes & Mads working the channels with Browne & Whiteman anchoring MF. Hit the balls, press recover the ball & repeat the process until they're worn out. I'm sure most of our recent Opposition hardly broke sweat against us because they could amble back knowing we wouldn't get upfield or another 2mins or so. That's my opinion anyway & a better watch
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Post by markos50 on Oct 24, 2023 18:11:39 GMT
I like that set up Daws, but Potts will start.
Give Ledson a break, we know his limitations, but he was far better than Brady on Saturday and does generally gives 90/100 %
I can’t see anything but a boring draw or a loss against a side who should do very well this season.
So I’m going for 1-1 but this is PNE so 3-1
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superiorno1pne
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Post by superiorno1pne on Oct 24, 2023 18:38:25 GMT
Markos it’s not about leaving off Ledson it is not personal (I know Daws) can speak up for himself.
He is just not good enough for this league no shame in that but he is undoubtedly part of the problem not the answer.
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Post by markos50 on Oct 24, 2023 19:04:25 GMT
Markos it’s not about leaving off Ledson it is not personal (I know Daws) can speak up for himself. He is just not good enough for this league no shame in that but he is undoubtedly part of the problem not the answer. Appreciate that, but he is getting picked and doing his best, so getting on at the lad will not improve the situation. What RL needs to do is sort out his best team and play it…….but his best team does not seem to be the same as the majority on here would play. Who would be a football manager…. Come to think about it, who would be a North Ender  However, if you ask a few so called pundits, I bet they would say RL is doing a great job! |
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chris1987
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Post by chris1987 on Oct 24, 2023 19:09:12 GMT
I can't see a change in approach from Lowe either Dawson. More of the same I suspect. I am interested to see when this attacking 'brand' of football Lowe promised us will start.
I don't see the issue with folk expressing their displeasure at spending their hard earned cash to watch the likes of Ledson, Brady, Cunningham and to a lesser extent Potts (no better options currently) I share their sentiments, totally ruining my match day experience. I too am absolutely sick of it when we have better options on the bench.
Personally I'd like to see 4-2-3-1, Hughes would be in for best if fit. Obviously we'll go wingback system as per in the hope we keep it tight, ruin the game and nick a goal.
Woodman
Potts Storey Lindsay Best
Whiteman Browne
Holmes Mads Millar
Keane.
No doubt pundits would say that Markos, they look at the table and the points total rather than watch the games perhaps, lazy. I think if they had to watch us every week and recognise the slide we are currently on they may change their opinion.
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Post by walburghian on Oct 24, 2023 21:21:07 GMT
Looking at tonight's results, we need a win tomorrow. Leeds /Boro /West Brom & Rovers are breathing down our necks. Another loss & RL's tenure will be in danger. Action not words required plus selecting our best players
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Phantom Winger
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 24, 2023 22:52:51 GMT
I can't see a change in approach from Lowe either Dawson. More of the same I suspect. I am interested to see when this attacking 'brand' of football Lowe promised us will start. I don't see the issue with folk expressing their displeasure at spending their hard earned cash to watch the likes of Ledson, Brady, Cunningham and to a lesser extent Potts (no better options currently) I share their sentiments, totally ruining my match day experience. I too am absolutely sick of it when we have better options on the bench. Personally I'd like to see 4-2-3-1, Hughes would be in for best if fit. Obviously we'll go wingback system as per in the hope we keep it tight, ruin the game and nick a goal. Woodman Potts Storey Lindsay Best Whiteman Browne Holmes Mads Millar Keane. No doubt pundits would say that Markos, they look at the table and the points total rather than watch the games perhaps, lazy. I think if they had to watch us every week and recognise the slide we are currently on they may change their opinion. Agreed and great to see you back. |
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Post by px6 on Oct 25, 2023 18:23:32 GMT
Can’t fault the team selection for tonight. Let’s hope Browne will bring abit of Irish luck and we get back on track.
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Post by walburghian on Oct 25, 2023 18:46:27 GMT
Had a nice day, lovely meal from nearest & dearest & settling down to watch my team. Hope I'm not disappointed - but then again I've been disappointed so many times I'm inured to failure. At least the Manager has picked the same team I wanted. If we lose guys, it's down to me. Enjoy
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Post by walburghian on Oct 25, 2023 19:04:37 GMT
Like the start to the game. Come on you Whites!
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Post by deepdaleoldun on Oct 25, 2023 19:41:04 GMT
Could have had a penalty that's all I can say about that half
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 25, 2023 19:41:25 GMT
Getting in good positions but a lack of accuracy. Penalty for me. Should be 1 each.
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 25, 2023 20:05:05 GMT
Two crackers
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Post by overseaspne on Oct 25, 2023 20:09:31 GMT
Buzzin..can’t watch but I imagine a belter from Potts?
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 25, 2023 20:22:37 GMT
Buzzin..can’t watch but I imagine a belter from Potts? Yes drove forward holding off the defender before shooting home and nutmegging the keeper. |
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 25, 2023 20:48:49 GMT
What a piddler.
Draw fair on the balance of play.
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chris1987
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Post by chris1987 on Oct 25, 2023 21:01:07 GMT
Tough game tonight, on paper saints have some top players for this level. I fully expect them to see more of the ball but I think we were great value for the point.
What a difference it makes playing your strongest available line up. Well done Ryan.Not rocket science is it.
2 cracking goals. Loves how quickly Osmajic links the play when we play to his feet. Real asset if we do that more often. Well done Potts, great goal and did well tonight. Not easy playing a position that isn't natural to you.
Very positive after tonight, saints will be right up there come the end of the season I think so it's a good point tonight unlike Saturday.
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Post by pneIAIN on Oct 25, 2023 21:01:49 GMT
Have to disagree, thought we were worth the 3 points. They play pretty football but I didn't think they looked that dangerous. Also how it wasn't a penalty and a red card in first half I'll never know but just my opinion. Plus I hope people start to realise how good Storey is, we are lucky to have him
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Post by pneIAIN on Oct 25, 2023 21:03:37 GMT
Tough game tonight, on paper saints have some top players for this level. I fully expect them to see more of the ball but I think we were great value for the point. What a difference it makes playing your strongest available line up. Well done Ryan.Not rocket science is it. 2 cracking goals. Loves how quickly Osmajic links the play when we play to his feet. Real asset if we do that more often. Well done Potts, great goal and did well tonight. Not easy playing a position that isn't natural to you. Very positive after tonight, saints will be right up there come the end of the season I think so it's a good point tonight unlike Saturday. Only question ask why does it take us to be losing at home before we have 2 strikers?? We look so much a better side with 2 |
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Post by deepdaleoldun on Oct 25, 2023 21:07:18 GMT
Not sure they actually deserved anything out of that but as usual have a lead twenty mins to go drop deep and invite them on last ten awfull no attempt to keep the ball just hoof it anywhere is that what they practice in training bright spots still 4th and Osmanic who I have strongly critisiced in the past
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Post by ProudPreston29 on Oct 25, 2023 21:22:09 GMT
just seen highlights , we were cheated out of pen and possible sending off
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Post by ginagee on Oct 25, 2023 21:26:03 GMT
Can’t believe how dazzling the hoarding boards were for the first 5 minutes, made watching the game impossible!!!
Not really in it first half but should defo have had a penalty on half time with their player red carded for a definite handball on the line but no way with the Ref.
The changes crying out far finally happened at half time and Milly looked a player at last, cracking goal for him closely followed by Potts, we need to be starting with more than one up front please!!
Felt sorry for them at the final whistle but why oh why did Freddie not let the lads at the back have it instead of blasting up the pitch when only Southampton players there 😩
Played well second half, why on earth can RL drop Browne, he had a stormer and for goodness sake keep Miller in the flipping team. Good performances from Lindsay and Storey at the back, Whiteman looking better and the team rolls better without Ledson and Brady …. Oh what could have been
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Post by superiorno1pne on Oct 25, 2023 21:39:05 GMT
Missed their equaliser no surprise sadly part of being a Nobber. Ledson nowhere near thank God we cannot meet or match without graft and for once Lowe had to listen to fans who have seen the obvious for too long.
I will be far more impressed with the same heart endeavour and commitment on Saturday not holding my breath mind.
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Oct 25, 2023 22:45:04 GMT
Outstanding tonight for me. They where my pick for 2nd behind Leicester at the start of the season and the form they’ve been in I fully expect it.
Thought it was going to be a Burnley last season and Leicester this season type performance but fair play, we didn’t have too much of the ball but we met them head on in areas that it mattered.
Only bit of complaint for me was once they beat the defensive press we allowed them (like most games) to Cary the ball so far unchallenged. Great finish from the lad but the 1st goal came from the CB carrying the ball to the box, we sit off and the lad gets a great shot off.
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Post by PrestonPete on Oct 25, 2023 22:58:34 GMT
I rarely if ever criticise referees, being a grassroots ref. But with game off on Saturday and tonight being a Wednesday I could make the Millwall & Southampton games.
From what we are advised, under IFAB who decide on the laws and interpretation in the two games I've watched in the past 5 days Preston should have been awarded 2 penalties for handball. The issue was that the referee didn't see them clearly as he wasn't positioned correctly.
In both occasions the ref was on the same side of the pitch as his assistant. He should be the other side so he has a view of handball at the far post to allow his assistant to see whether it happens at the near post. In both occasions I reckon that the ref didn't see it and nor could the assistant as they were both looking through the same crowd of players.
At this level of refereeing that should not happen! Especially from set pieces!
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Oct 25, 2023 23:07:51 GMT
Despite still feeling as rough as a baboon's derriere I went, fortunately getting lift most of the way there and back...it also meant I left with a couple of minutes to go to get away. When I heard the noise from the Shankly it left me feeling like Mrs Lincoln '...apart from the shooting did you enjoy the play ?'.
It's 6 games without a win now but I've no complaints about tonight. For once Lowe picked a decent side...doing what has been obvious to everyone but himself. Also agreed with his subs.
Thought the match a credit to Championship football.
Sorry, no pen..the ball spun up from the keeper's foot to hit the defender's hand..not deliberate and nothing he could do about it as he was sat on the ground arms in a natural position and knew little about it. Ref was pathetically weak all night and let Southampton get away with a lot but he got that one right. If he had given a pen he would also have had to pull out a red card and that would have been ridiculous for something the defender knew little about and could not avoid. Where he did go wrong was with the shirt pulling and holding.
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Post by PrestonPete on Oct 26, 2023 2:46:55 GMT
I'm sorry Daws, I disagree with your opinion on the penalty incident, but agree that he should have punished the cynical shirt pulling far more severely. Smallbone made 3 or 4 cynical deliberate fouls, all of which should be cautions, but only received 1.
Under the current IFAB interpretation: "touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised"
In this situation the defender has his arms out wide at 90 degrees to his body while stood on the goal line and only fell to the ground after the ball hit his arm. That is deemed making his body bigger to try and block the ball, as it deflected from the keeper it doesn't matter, as it says, by spreading his arms wide he runs the risk and as such it's a penalty and sending off under the current IFAB interpretation of handball.
For those who don't know, IFAB is the international board that decides on laws of the game and their interpretation.
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