Preston North End vs Sunderland

Anyone stay to thank the payers for the season?

Look we need a team to be proud of we have complete mediocrity Alvaro is a winner McCann another test of them average with an average manager who cannot improve them. Quality costs either find three or pay for three it’s that simple.

Yep, stayed!
Ched got players player.
Woodman POS
Alvaro YPOS.

Sad to see so few stayed tbh, players may not be quite good enough but most gave 100 for most of the season.
I felt DJ deserved a decent send off but didn’t get a mention either..


I’ve got a feeling a lot of the squad arnt having Lowe, Hughes pulling out, DJ, Whitman makes me feel the senior pro’s have had enough.

px6, I agree with some of your points regarding the squad he has to work with but could you not see the huge difference in the way the two sides were trying to play

ginagee hat doing a Princess Anne if you get my drift

Hopefully Ched can play again. He referred to his fitness after the game.
We need to keep the better players we have. Whiteman, Woodman, Storey.
We need Browne and DJ - both respected at this level outside the club.

Just don’t chuck one year deals at rank average players.
Important summer because if we go down it’s a long way back.

Personally, I hope Evans never plays for us again.
I hope he plays again but not for us.

I thought it was a good first half and PNE could \ should have scored a couple, they changed it for the second half, stepped up the pace and we seemed unable to cope. Its hard to be harsh on players who are just not good enough.

I stood for the NA and it was a good reception. A royal supporter, not really, but I would not get rid of them, they just need to trim down a bit. A republic with a political head of state, like France or the USA....no thanks. Be careful what you wish for or consider cheaper, when you factor income V expense !

We are going a bit off track but latest figs show the monarchy cost the taxpayerr £87.5m a year to maintain. The coronation cost £100m to have a billionaiire in his gold carriage paraded through the streets of London and a crown put on his head. Takes an awful lot of tourism driven by the Royal Family to bring that in.. I don't begrudge anybody who gets enjoyment from it...just think it could all be done (and still bring in tourists) by removing the monarchy from any constitutional role and downsizing (so we are not paying for the likes of sleaze ball Andrew).

We might also get a bit more respect for the NA if God Save could be retained for UK events and |England had its own national anthem like the other home nations.

Getting back to the footy I wonder what goes on at Euxton.

We seem to have a plethora of injuries and an abundance of players who simply don't show the energy and run around , or as fast, as other teams....partic noticeable yesterday and against Shef Utd.

Amongst the reasons I consider Ledson a carp footballer is that he stands watching the game...so he is never quite where he should be and then he reacts by trying to quickly close down and diving in ....sometimes he even wins the ball doing this but as he is on his backside there is no telling where the ball might go.

This season Alvaro has stood out for his energy, yesterday so did McCann until he was obvioulsy shattered towards the end and began to make errors. It's nothing like good enough and the horrendous goal deficit tells you all you need to know about the lack of pace at the back. .

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Afternoon all - well, what can we say? I'm not one given to hyperbole, or one who is prone to knee-jerk reactions, but now, the season is over, I think we've seen enough to draw a few conclusions about Ryan, the coaching staff and the players at his disposal.

First comment I would make is that the team we had under Neil, 4 or 5 years ago, is light years ahead of these guys in terms of ability. Robinson, Hugill, Browne, DJ, Pearson, Davies, A fit Maguire, Peak Darnell, Greg when he could run, Hunts, Gallagher, Barkhuizen... a wealth of talent and a mix of solid professionals and players who could change a game. We are absolutely nowhere near those levels now. Our 3rd leading scorer this season is Potts... just compare... Hughes or Ben Davies? Whiteman or Pearo? Robinson or - erm, well we only have loan strikers! So, out of fairness to Ryan, finishing mid-table with the players at his disposal is no disgrace. It's not great, but it's not awful. A massive summer of recruitment lies ahead of us, and as it appears that the Hemmings family haven't quite sorted aspects of Trevor's Will.. goodness knows what will happen.

Despite this, most supporters really only see us at home, which has been terrible. I've been to pretty much every home game and a handful of away matches. The football is slow compared to the teams who are above us in the league. I think the only decent side we've beaten this season was Luton. Thanks Pottsy lad! I also went to Sunderland, Boro and Burnley and in those away games, it was just as bad. Rovers away was obviously a highlight. he has his critics, but Ledson won us that game in the first couple of minutes. As I said on Saturday, Ledson has an eye for a pass, he always sees them...sadly he doesn't often have the skill to execute! So the home form makes the season overall feel much worse than it actually was. That said, it worries me that when we play a decent side, Ryan gets the strategy wrong more than he gets it right and in the aftermath of some of these games, he blames the players. This is why I genuinely believe there is a disconnect between the manager and the senior players. I've seen them after games laughing at his fist pumps to the crowd - like some kind of David Brent figure. I am sure the turning point of this was him leaving DJ out of the squad at Burnley and having no game plan at all. I believe he has been challenged by the senior players, and now, is looking to tar them with the bad apple tag and one by one get rid of them. When it reaches this point, normally I would back the manager, but if Browne, DJ, Brady, Hughes, Potts, Whiteman have one thing between them it's experience of playing under good managers. If they (and it is definitely if... I don't know this as fact) feel he's no use, he'll end up going unless he can do a Westley and get rid of them all...

As I said at the beginning, the league position is no disaster, but I have serious concerns about the number of players who are getting worse under Lowe's tenure (and Marsh/Gallagher clearly are not exempt from criticism here). Ledson is a case in point. Player of the Year in 2020 and seemed to be growing into a decent midfielder. Hughes - been Mr Consistent for the past few years. Since Christmas he's been rubbish. McCann... good player, but does Lowe know how to get the best out of him? It appears not. The list goes on...

Lastly, and this REALLY winds me up - and more on Monday than ever before. Young players... 'I'll always give them a chance' - No doubt RL will point to the debuts given this season to Mawene, Leigh, FCA, Kamara etc, but he gives them meaningless and minimal game time. 4-1 up at Rovers - quick lads, get on for injury time and wind the clock down! On Monday, McCann was clearly knackered, and possibly injured, Ledson had blown a gasket and Onomah wasn't trying. It was the lad who looked at me and said he'd been watching Onomah for 5 minutes and he'd just walked around the pitch. Should have been hooked there and then. Lazy get. We had Lewis Leigh (CDM), Kayden Kamara (Left sided Midfielder) and Noah Mawene (attacking box to box player) all ready, warming up in the peeing down rain and what did Ryan do? Nothing. Left the knackered, useless and lazy on the pitch. Shocking.

Summary - Ryan's all talk - he got lucky with the early season run of clean sheets and next season will be a struggle. He'll be gone by Christmas. Another League 1 Adventure may be on the cards at some point soon enough, time to get some new grounds ticked off! We play 'Ryan Lowe Bingo' every week when waiting for his pressers. In the transfer window he's always 'hopeful' and likes to 'get it over the line'. When we've not scored, it's never 'for the lack of trying'. If he wants to talk of the football style, it's his 'brand', he always wants 'Deepdale bouncing'. There are more...but you get my drift!

PS - I don't believe for one minute he wants to keep DJ as he's said in the paper today. Shifting the blame... we'll offer him a 1 year extension on half his wages, he'll go elsewhere and Ryan and Riddler will say 'not for the lack of trying'.

In the midst of all this doom and gloom... I've renewed for next season, obviously.

Said for a long time

- it's not the wage bill that's been the problem it's the lack of judgement with regards to the running of the club.

And as the club is available to the right bidder it's not going to get any better...indeed a reduced wage bill and a continuing lack of judgement doesn't augur well.

As for RL never taken to him....I think the only reason we have finished where we have this season is down to standard in the Champ being the worst ever.

We all have different experiences, readings of players and matches, and expectations.This season has to me been so disappointing. A couple of months ago I gave my season card to my daughter, I was so disillusioned with the PNE experience. I have continued to follow the team remotely and buy video passes whenever available, have continued to log on to this site several times a day. PNE will always be part of me.

I foolishly swallowed all the close season hype of PR and the SG (no, not Simon Grayson)last year but enough is enough until the club can regroup, even if in a lower league. Goals and wins would send me home a happier person, as would some personalties amongst the players.

Have a good summer and let's hope for better times ahead.

Sorry keeper and Whiteman also very good except they will be sold!

Tell you what 71 I kicked up a fuss when Derek Shaw blew £3m on signings that were suppoed to take us up.....Shumoloski etc (whatever the names were.....all utter rubbish) .......money that had been set aside for an indoor pitch and Academy upgrade.

I've always advocated the club developing its own players ..and the need for an higher Academy status. In order to compete we need to produce players with added value

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I've also always advocated commercial development , usimng the stadium better, taking in-house the shop and catering, better junior club links inc. feeder clubs.

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I was successful enough in business to retire at 50 (although choosing to continue to do some work) and knew my way around football enough to be offered a non-exec Co FA role so maybe you are right.

Irrrespective of any personal position I think there has got to be a role for more fan involve ment and a greater say in the running of clubs. I like the German model.

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Regrettably I think the way the club has been run under the Hemmings (and |I am going back to 2003 when TH returhed to the club and began funding) is coming home to roost.

It has always been about short-termism.....with no more ambition than trying to keep the club in the Championship.

The trouble is that not only have transfer fees escalated , partic for goal scorers, loan fees are now also in cuckoo land......and because of the lack of basic infrastruture development (recruitmernt and Academy) it has become increasingly difficult to run the club in the same way.

The (literal) deficits have until now been met by the Hemmings..but this appears to be no longer forthcoming.

Hence we are now looking a bit stuffed.