Lowe Out

He’s one of the happy clapping brigade! They show as much ambition as the club. Happy with their lot 👍👏👏👏

It is said that it is Mike Marsh that coaches the defence, Lowe coaches the forwards?

Maybe Lowe is ignoring Marsh's input?

Maybe Gally has the midfielders coached to a fine art and he is ignoring him to?

It is more likely though that Lowe is choosing the wrong formation, the wrong players and when it goes wrong, the wrong subs at the wrong time?

I hate to be downhearted but from my limited position it seems Lowe isn't doing a great job, Lowe and Ridsdale aren't doing a great job with recruitment and the Hemmings aren't doing a great job employing them both, but apart from that?

As for the players, I feel to a man they are giving their best, they are probably doing it having to play in positions not their best and if some are brassed off as much as the fans I wouldn't blame them.

If they aren't good enough it isn't their fault/problem.

I agree expectations are high but the fans just need something to feed off. A sniff of positive play and the ground gets behind them. Turgid play is turning people away.
I wish to be entertained at least some of the time.
Can’t renew with RL in charge. Wonder if I’m on my own.

You make a far point, PNE From Afar, I too went to a lot of away games when I was younger and there is more vocal backing. Don't know where these negative supporters come from but we have them and its a fact of life. If these people had something to cheer about then they will get behind the team and manager. Something is definitely wrong with our home form. The manager has to take the blame for that, he picks the side and tells them the formation to play. He persists with this 3 5 2 formation reverting to 5 3 2 when defending but we don't have the players who can play that game. He refused to move from that formation. He had 12 months to find the formula at home and we are still waiting. I have had a season ticket for 40 + years and see some of the dark days but this is poor. Will I still come on and renew the season ticket, yes, I will also get behind the team when there is something to get behind.

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I think that by now, most of you will know I am pretty balanced and not prone to knee-jerk reactions. With this in mind, there are a few things about football managers and coaches. The first one is that there have been studies that have showed simply changing managers makes no difference to performance. Most managers are much of a muchness, they have strengths and they have weaknesses. So unless you win the lottery and get one of the exceptional ones in (think Steve Cooper at Forest), potting Lowe and bringing in AN Other won't get us up into the top 6, nor would it be likely to relegate us (unless we appointed Fergie Jr, or similar!)

Having said that, I like to balance the view with one simple question, 'Could the manager be getting more out of the players than he is currently?' and this includes whether players are improving under his leadership, how many players are flying, and how many are declining. Sad truth of this is that way, way too many players are not thriving at the moment and have been in decline since Ryan took over. DJ, Ledson, Brady, Browne, Potts, Riis (when fit) all look like shadows of the players they have been in the past. The reason for this is leadership - or lack of it. I've worked in leadership for over 20 years now and one thing I have learnt is that you have to know how people tick, how to get the best out of individuals, and listening to RL's interviews, he is all over the place. After the Norwich game, he publicly castigated the players... 'lack of commitment'. The following week, he said 'one thing this team never lacks is commitment'. There's no consistency, he contradicts himself constantly and (for me this is the unforgiveable bit), week by week he appears to be throwing blame all over the place. Look at who he's thrown under the bus in recent weeks:

1) The players - not trying hard enough (when to everyone else in the world, it was obvious the shape of the team was wrong)
2) The fans - 'not blaming the fans, but you need to get behind us'. When he's promised an attacking brand of football and we've scored 9 in 15 games, I understand the frustration. I'll never boo, groan or shout abuse at our lads, as it is counter productive... but nonetheless, it's not our fault that the team strategy is so poor we rarely create chances.
3) Physio and Fitness team are the latest in the firing line I see today.

Ryan - buy yourself a mirror 'lad' and have a good look in it. If you want a long career in leadership/management, you have to have humility, the ability to reflect, and wide enough shoulders to take the blame. Even when it isn't your fault. How much goodwill would he get from inside the dressing room if he came out and said 'we lost that game because my strategy was wrong, and it's not down to the players'. Look at Ferguson - he ALWAYS supported his players, even when privately he was crucifying them.

Lowe in or out? It's out for me I'm afraid. I think he's far from the worst manager we've had (Fergie Jr, Medalwinner and Phil Brown were all far worse IMO) but he's the most self-unaware and thinks he's far better than he is. If I were to see a corner flag on PNE Twitter tomorrow, I wouldn't be disappointed.

Incidentally, Plymouth are flying at the moment, so perhaps we did sign the wrong Manager?

Apparently Leeds Utd fancy RL to replace Marsch. What do we have to do to encourage them? Maybe we should start a campaign to support him - to encourage Leeds to go for him. Then we can go for the Plymouth Manager instead. Politics, talking of which who believes Man City did not break the rules on 100 occasions - we may be playing them next Season, in the Championship though!

Engines running Ryan. Hop in, I’m off to Yorkshire anyway

I’ve voted stay - If someone had said we’d be 11th at this point in the season before the season started people would be reasonably happy.

For the time being I don’t see any point in sacking RL - we aren’t threatened by going down so surely he deserves at least a full season to try and turn it around again.

As for his appointment, he’s a young manager with 2 promotions under his belt and was flying high in league one - could we have done any better?

Read some horrendous stats from Lowes only full season in league one, managed to take Plymouth from 9th to 18th in the final 17 games with I think it was 3 wins. Had some real good to mi gs at home and struggled to score goals, sound familiar….

It was only 4 months into the season when he left Plymouth ...at the highest position where he has ever been as a manager. And how much of this was down to Schumacher is an issue.

Look where we have been this season...snap shots are nothing to go by...and let's see what the away record looks like at the end of the season given the games we have got coming up.

Lowe's entire career has been spent at L2 and L1 levels....until Ridsdale appoints him on the strenght of what...taking Bury up buying their way out of L2 and taking Plymouth out of L2, a big club for that div and with Schumacher as the asst.

Reality is that it's not much of a CV ...on the other hand , like Westley, he can talk.

That's right at the time it looked an OK appointment considering where Plymouth were in L1 and I always take the view that any new manager deserves a chance to show what they can do. . However whn you take a closwer look at his background, as you should when considering an appointment, and at what he has been doing at PNE he is out of his depth in the Champ. So far he has managed to paper over the limitations by having 5 at the back in away games and getting results on the break (nothing wrong with that) but it doesn't work at home and it won't work away from home with sides that play the ball quicker. And it doesn't work at home because the side isn't used to playing on the front front, doesn't play the ball quick enough, build ups are laborious and enough players don't get in the box quick enough due to picking 2 defensive midfielders.

Granted he hasn't much of a squad to work with but he is not getting the best out of what he has got.

And just look at the stark contrast between the histories of the 2 best managers |Ridsdale has brought in:
SG and AN...and their histories as players and managers and the level at which they have had experience
and the worst
Westley, McEvoy and now Lowe

It was matter of fortune that SG and AN were available.

When he has had to select (as opposed to having an obvious choice available) Ridsdale has failed, failed and, now , failed again.

He doesn't appear to have learned a single thing from his own abject record and should never be entrusted with the job again.

Time to go I think, our away form has made me stick previously to stay but these performances lately are absolutely dire.

He'll walk and get a job at a club where they're all forward thinking and behind the progress of the club.