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Post by ginagee on Jan 14, 2023 20:29:40 GMT
Heard rumours today Jordan Williams RB from Barnsley, out of contract in Summer, they want £2 mill we have offered £650,000
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jan 15, 2023 23:29:13 GMT
We need to get these young lads out. Their last playing memory is contributing nothing to a game of football. That will erode them over time.
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Post by Mooney on Jan 16, 2023 10:06:44 GMT
Whiteman to be sold is the latest rumour, with Watford lining him up. Initially I dismissed this as agent talk, as I have been told recently that BW, while happy at PNE, is not happy with the terms of his contract and wants a significant increase to match the highest earners. IMO, I'd give it him...However, with 18 months left, if he has indicated he won't sign a new deal, and if we can secure a decent fee (and REINVEST THIS!) maybe now is the time to sell?
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Post by NobbyDawson on Jan 16, 2023 10:34:55 GMT
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Post by Mooney on Jan 16, 2023 10:37:28 GMT
As Saturday demonstrated we already have an experienced replacement There's one who isn't getting much game time in Bournemouth... |
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Post by thefutureisbrown on Jan 16, 2023 10:54:20 GMT
As Saturday demonstrated we already have an experienced replacement There's one who isn't getting much game time in Bournemouth... Whilst Pearson (surely not a realistic target for us) would be a upgrade on whiteman and I feel is exactly what we need, selling Whiteman to replace with pearo on loan would be the most predictable North End move possible. |
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jan 16, 2023 11:15:29 GMT
It's a great shame Ridsdale made a typical cock up in hamding out such expensive contracts to Browne and DJ because last Saturday showed just how much Whiteman contributes to the team.
As the club is being run by muppets on a short-term basis (reduce overheads/costs to make the club a more viable sale) nothing would surprise me.
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Post by BroughtonWhite on Jan 16, 2023 17:50:58 GMT
The issue they have is they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. There would’ve been uproar if Davies, Brown, Johnson and Pearson had all gone.
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Post by Mooney on Jan 18, 2023 16:40:29 GMT
The issue they have is they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. There would’ve been uproar if Davies, Brown, Johnson and Pearson had all gone. I agree with this and feel that there are more sticks being used to beat the club with than are needed right now! At the time, they were 'the big 4' and we were all desperate to keep them all. The wages that are quoted (and this is only guesswork. None of the so called experts know for sure) are not outlandish for experienced championship players. I'm keeping quiet at the moment - a bit fed up and very disappointed with a lot of things, but ultimately, we have just brought in two lads on loan who look the business, there may be one more to come and at this point, the season could go of two ways. Let's see. |
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Post by px6 on Jan 18, 2023 17:25:06 GMT
The issue they have is they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. There would’ve been uproar if Davies, Brown, Johnson and Pearson had all gone. Covid screwed up any chance of getting a decent fee for Davies and Pearson aswell. We was probably looking north of £10 million at least. Instead sold them for £4 mil combined. But Risdale obviously caused Covid so it’s his fault we didn’t get a decent wedge. We got Sepp out of the Davies deal for 18 months, who was probably the better player. Not a bad deal in the end. |
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jan 18, 2023 17:30:50 GMT
I doubt there would be an uproar it things were done competently.
Look at the way Brentford did it....sold ALL their best players as soon as a big offer came in....but then allocated so much to wages, so much to infrastructure and spent the rest on great signings at an affordable level...started off paying very modest fees and only grew to the £5m mark when selling for £20m. I can only think of one failure...and his name escapes me.
Everyone knew Davies and Pearson would be going anyway...so why not sell them for big money rather than the pittance the club did get? And as for Browne and DJ their value must have plummeted.
Since the abolition of the max wage in the 60s the club has never been able to hold on to its better players. As a club to go forward PNE needs to sell its best players but sensibly use at least some of the money to facilitate development and recruitment as well as balance the books. Because of the failures in both development and recruitment the money that has been put in by the Hemmings has been necessary tostop the club falling into debt...it has not been an investment but a subsidy to cover loss. .
It's the failure to adequately replace players who have left (such as Hugill and Robinson) and the decline of DJ and Browne (who are clearly not worth the contracts they are alleged to have.......and in a £22m plus wage bill somebody is picking up a packet) that has resulted in uproar at the mediocrity of the current squad.
It's not selling players that's the problem...I think most sensible supprters recognise that the club cannot hang on to players who want away nor pay unaffordable contracts...it's how you replace them that's the issue. It's also the problem at PNE because we have had failed punt after punt and to go into a season without a recognised rb (after never replacing Fisher) was an act of negligence.
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Post by pne1971 on Jan 21, 2023 17:30:51 GMT
Whitman to Fulham being rumoured now..
£5mil—personally I’d probably take that sort of money.
Though it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s his agent looking for a pay raise
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Post by walburghian on Jan 21, 2023 19:35:57 GMT
I doubt there would be an uproar it things were done competently. Look at the way Brentford did it....sold ALL their best players as soon as a big offer came in....but then allocated so much to wages, so much to infrastructure and spent the rest on great signings at an affordable level...started off paying very modest fees and only grew to the £5m mark when selling for £20m. I can only think of one failure...and his name escapes me. Everyone knew Davies and Pearson would be going anyway...so why not sell them for big money rather than the pittance the club did get? And as for Browne and DJ their value must have plummeted. Since the abolition of the max wage in the 60s the club has never been able to hold on to its better players. As a club to go forward PNE needs to sell its best players but sensibly use at least some of the money to facilitate development and recruitment as well as balance the books. Because of the failures in both development and recruitment the money that has been put in by the Hemmings has been necessary tostop the club falling into debt...it has not been an investment but a subsidy to cover loss. . It's the failure to adequately replace players who have left (such as Hugill and Robinson) and the decline of DJ and Browne (who are clearly not worth the contracts they are alleged to have.......and in a £22m plus wage bill somebody is picking up a packet) that has resulted in uproar at the mediocrity of the current squad. It's not selling players that's the problem...I think most sensible supprters recognise that the club cannot hang on to players who want away nor pay unaffordable contracts...it's how you replace them that's the issue. It's also the problem at PNE because we have had failed punt after punt and to go into a season without a recognised rb (after never replacing Fisher) was an act of negligence. We replaced Fisher with Olasunde, but dont want to play him .Why? there is something seriously wrong with the way North End carry out their business. He's the best/only RB we have but someone does not want to play him - despite paying his Wages for nothing beneficial. Get rid or play him, is that not unreasonable? Why cannot the Riddler see what everyone here knows to be the reality? |
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Post by BroughtonWhite on Jan 21, 2023 20:06:42 GMT
Go to any club in any division and they all have signings that haven’t worked out.
I’ve said it before, if we’d signed a RB that has played as well as Potts has, would we not say it was a good signing? No opportunity was there to sign a decent RB so we didn’t - I may be in the minority but I don’t see RWB as our main issue.
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Post by walburghian on Jan 22, 2023 11:36:08 GMT
I agree that RWB is not a problem - play Browne there. However, we have no RB if we decide to play a flat back 4.
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jan 22, 2023 14:04:52 GMT
Potts defensive work has been poor. He has been at fault for a number of conceded goals by being on the wrong side of his man. Secondly his wing play has left a lot to be desired. He seems incapable of putting in a decent cross and the last time he played at home he hardly crossed the half way line. He is not a rwb. What he has done which has received praise is to harry and carry...and it is nothing like enough when he fails to put in a shift. His best postion is behind the front two. He has a good shot on him but we never see it when he is stuck out on the wing.
Browne isn't a rwb either...similar, even worse, issues getting forward. He can't run with the ball , never gets to the line and rarely puts ina cross...like Potts all he does is slow the game down by either laying the ball back or inside.
I agree all clubs have signings that fail...but not to the extent at Deepdale , never mind as a direct consequence of recrutiment practices, such as signing players from the Irish |League who have never played anywhere else (every one a failure) nor in taking punts on crocks, players with known injury histories such as Wickham and Brown.
Add that to an Academy status that has failed to produce a Champ standard player since Davies (and how many seasons ago since he made his debut?) and you have systemic and structural recruitment failure across the board....not just with regards to any one position.
Even worse still the failutre to develop players and the fact that the club is available to the 'right' buyer means that the club isn't going to invest in an Academy that isn't going to produce results for years ...and this means that in order to fill positions the club has to buy.....and goalscoring forwards are way beyond the club's budget.
Apart from the defensive players like Storey, Lindsay, Hughes, Whiteman, it's an appalling track record...one that make the club unsustainable without continuing large financial support.
And to go into a season without a recohgnised rb or rwb (other than crock Olusunde) was negligent.
Regrettably this is the way the club is run...take it or leave it (and a lot will be leaving it at the end of this season esp. if Ridsdale is still there).
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Post by walburghian on Jan 22, 2023 15:07:10 GMT
Browne is apparently good enough to play RWB for Ireland, which is not saying a lot I know, but we don't need him in MF & he's scored 2 goals for us playing RWB, so I think he can do a job for us. We must however be able to play 4 at the back when needed, but we have no RB. Any Manager worth his salt would be questioning how we're got to this situation. Inexplicable Mr Ridsdale, he's the one who should be going at the moment end of the Season.
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Post by pne1971 on Jan 22, 2023 17:22:29 GMT
Think the problem is that buying a rwb that’s better than Potts or Browne is out of our budget.
So it comes back to another young loan- we were in for 3 or 4 preseason but didn’t seem to get one over the line.
Other issue is if we do bring in a loan there’s some serious wages sat on the bench..
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Post by Mooney on Jan 22, 2023 18:04:13 GMT
Potts is sitting on the naughty step.
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jan 22, 2023 18:30:36 GMT
Browne is apparently good enough to play RWB for Ireland, which is not saying a lot I know, but we don't need him in MF & he's scored 2 goals for us playing RWB, so I think he can do a job for us. We must however be able to play 4 at the back when needed, but we have no RB. Any Manager worth his salt would be questioning how we're got to this situation. Inexplicable Mr Ridsdale, he's the one who should be going at the moment end of the Season. I agree re Browne. |
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Jan 22, 2023 19:16:53 GMT
Potts is sitting on the naughty step. I wonder if he’s pals with the guy that what’s app gate all came from? They claim to know one of the players. |
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Post by Mooney on Jan 22, 2023 19:44:22 GMT
Potts is sitting on the naughty step. I wonder if he’s pals with the guy that what’s app gate all came from? They claim to know one of the players. Very possibly. But he’s not injured… |
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Post by pne1971 on Jan 24, 2023 14:53:43 GMT
Hugill to Rovrum!! decent signing i think and one that would have strengthened us, personally id have taken him over Ched.
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Jan 24, 2023 15:21:26 GMT
Hugill to Rovrum!! decent signing i think and one that would have strengthened us, personally id have taken him over Ched. 3.5 year contract for a 30 year old apparently, not sure I would’ve been happy with that. |
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Post by daveoggy on Jan 26, 2023 12:06:30 GMT
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Post by makemineapint on Jan 26, 2023 12:43:11 GMT
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Jan 26, 2023 14:20:00 GMT
Another player with their contract paid up apparently 🙄
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Post by ginagee on Jan 26, 2023 15:58:18 GMT
Shame really his wife would have sounded brilliant singing for us at the FA Cup Final at Wembley  |
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Post by makemineapint on Jan 26, 2023 17:02:29 GMT
Another player with their contract paid up apparently 🙄 Very much doubt that, there wouldn't be any point, think that's just a rumour from a doom monger on t'ther site. |
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Post by px6 on Jan 26, 2023 17:14:18 GMT
Gotta be olusunde if it’s true. No point in him sticking around. Make room for a RB.
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