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Post by themaclad on Oct 23, 2022 8:03:52 GMT
Lacked quality in the final third apparently, no rubbish Sherlock
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Post by NobbyDawson on Oct 23, 2022 12:20:03 GMT
Need to question the oily rags too.
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Post by px6 on Oct 23, 2022 12:29:44 GMT
Don’t buy this Schumacher being the better coach nonsense, he’s winning with a team Lowe built. It’s the players that win you games, not a nice coaching session.
Lowes signings have all been better than what we had. He passed on a few players in the summer because they weren’t good enough. None signing any old fodder like we have in the past.
Give it time and we’ll get it right. We’re 10th in the league and people want him sacked? Come on.
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Post by NobbyDawson on Oct 23, 2022 12:37:58 GMT
But the nice coaching sessions are where they are drilled into a formation and tactics that clearly do not produce the goods, given the current crop of players.
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Post by dawsonsjs on Oct 23, 2022 12:54:24 GMT
He's not going anywhere px6 but he doesn't do himself any favours by coming out with complete bullsh*t, picking favourites, putting round pegs in square holes and making incomprehensible substitutions.
As for Schumacher 'winning with the team Lowe built' last summer Schumacher brought in
Cosgrove loan from Birmingham
Lonwijk loan from Wolves
Whittaker loan from Swansea
Mumba loan from Norwich City
Azaz loan from Villa
(5 loans allowed in L1)
Miller free from Rotherham
Butcher free transfer from Stanley
Apart from any loan/signing on fees not a penny spent, five have regularly featured in the side and the shape of the side has been changed (3, 4, 2, 1). When Lowe joined us many Plymouth fans said they were not bothered as long as Schumacher remained and it is apparent the Plymouth owner must have had regard for Schumacher to promote him.
And, furthermore , in addition to the players brought in last summer I note that yesterday Plymouth had Cooper in goal (and he was there long before |Lowe), Randell in midfield (likewise, came through the ranks).
In other words Lowe has had next to nothing (just 4 players brought in) to do with the Schumacher team now top of L1. Indeed, it is apparent that Schumacher set about rebuilding Lowe's team with loan and other signings.
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Post by [email protected] on Oct 23, 2022 13:39:19 GMT
Lowe is a gob s…e I’d swap him with Schumacher in an instant
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Post by px6 on Oct 23, 2022 13:48:27 GMT
9 of the 14 players who played for Plymouth yesterday where there when Lowe was there. And playing a familiar set up to what we do 🤔 sounds more like a Lowe team than a Schumacher team. Not enough to take all the credit off Lowe anyway.
Randell and cooper both made first team players by Lowe.
But easier for Plymouth to sign a decent league one player than us to sign a decent championship player. Big fish little pond and all that.
Alvaro, Brady, Woodburn, Woodman and Archer have all have improved the starting 11. Obviously got an eye for a player.
Bambo, dreadful, but 5 out of 6 is good going.
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Post by superiorno1pne on Oct 23, 2022 14:06:11 GMT
It is the way we play that I am bothered about. Unlike many who actually think we have any intentions of getting promoted they are delusional. We exist to be a championship club it’s that simple. I understand that however I don’t want to be fed a crock of rubbish by our con man Ridsdale telling us otherwise. And, more importantly knowing our true intention can we not play a brand of football that we actually enjoy to watch.
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Post by dawsonsjs on Oct 23, 2022 15:09:16 GMT
px6...of the Plymouth starting team yesterday just 4 players were ones brought in under Lowe...Wilson, Galloway, Houghton and Ennis. What you said is
' Don’t buy this Schumacher being the better coach nonsense, he’s winning with a team Lowe built.'
Not a big issue..just think that this member of the jury has been out since Lowe's appointment..talks a good game but he's yet to deliver it. Granted he probably hasn't been able to get in the players he wanted...but that's life as a manager. Art is getting the best out of what you've got.
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Post by markos50 on Oct 23, 2022 18:41:24 GMT
I know I have made comments about about Freddie Woodman maybe a little unfair but his challenge for their forth goal was weak to say the least !
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Post by markos50 on Oct 23, 2022 18:42:28 GMT
Also analysing Lowe v Schumacher is pointless
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Post by dawsonsjs on Oct 23, 2022 19:10:08 GMT
I wasn't at Bloomfield Rd, just watched video...wondered what was Woodman doing there? If he'd gone up for a corner I'd expect to find him in the box, seemed to be in the middle of nowhere.
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 24, 2022 7:34:00 GMT
Whether you support Lowe or not it’s clear the atmosphere is deteriorating at Deepdale. It’s becoming tense with frustration because of home results (appalling) and the ‘brand’ of football (tedious). It’s going to be difficult to raise ST prices again when the entertainment isn’t there. Personally I think it’s too early to replace him and I think he deserves the season but equally it can be strongly argued he’s not delivering what he promised on the pitch. There’s also decent managers out there waiting for a job.
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Post by deepdaleoldun on Oct 24, 2022 8:52:39 GMT
dawsonsjs, Have to point out you are contradicting yourself somewhat you say that PR is responsible for the poor recruitment of players which I agree with but attach no blame to the club but who the hell employs him its not you and its certainly not me
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Post by dawsonsjs on Oct 24, 2022 11:18:42 GMT
No contradiction at all oldun....I opposed PR's appointment from the word 'go' on account of his history, including the financial meltdown at Leeds, the 'golden ticket' fiasco at Cardiff and the indictment of the Insolvency Service, for diverting company money into his personal bank account, and subsequently being considered unfit to serve as a director.
Always a mystery to me as to why TH appointed him other than to bring in another potential owner.
Once in post, though, I expect PR to do a job...same as in all businesses...despite what was posted on here recently I know that he has always been involved in bringing in players....and exiting them. And just look at the track record...'cheap' Irish imports (not one of which worked out), players who can play but are unfortunately crocks (like Wickham and Brown), 'frees' that have failed (Diably looks another) and expensive signings that have also failed, like Bayliss and Harrop.
I don't expect every signing to work...that's unrealistic.....but PR's track record is pretty poor...and, then to boot, he gets rid of the Chief Scout and promotes himself to head up recruitment.
I don't think the Hemmings can be held to account for their father's inexplicable appointment .... I dare say there would now be a considerable cost element to getting rid of him and bringing in someone else, and when the club is available to any acceptable offer it's not the time to start changing your Chair. In addition it it appears to me that they have little time to spend on or at the club and need someone to run the place for them.
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Post by [email protected] on Oct 24, 2022 14:21:45 GMT
I thought James Wallace was chief scout? I might be wrong. Another scouse blagger who doesn't know what he's doing.
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Post by markos50 on Oct 24, 2022 14:32:52 GMT
I thought it was a PC using an algorithm, to select potential players!
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Post by dawsonsjs on Oct 24, 2022 15:13:52 GMT
Wallace only joined in June SLC.
James Beet was brought in the summer before last to provide an analytical assessment of potential players but as soon as Lowe arrived seems to have been pushed aside.
Before this, and even with a scout, PR has had the final say on recruitment (other than having to get the nod from TH).
The club has lurched from one strategy to another.....Prem 'cast offs', Irish League, good players discounted by clubs bec their injury histories. 'cheap' lower league. I don't mi0nd any of them (bar the crocks) but in turn each approach has been at the expense of others....and none can be said to have been succe4ssful. The odd signing that has paid off, such as Storey, is outnumbered by the failures.
In the circumstance, a lack of any cohesive and coherent strategy, is it any wonder we are where we are with a lop-sided squad with no one capable of meeting full expectations in a number of positions to meet Lowe's favoured formation?
You can't blame the owners for this...they have employed PR to run the club. Pointing a finger at them is like faulting a headteacher because it turns out a teacher is carp and doesn't get exam results with the students. However it is their job to do something about it......but, of course, they won't if they are satisfied that the results are good enough.
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Post by [email protected] on Oct 24, 2022 15:38:19 GMT
I believe we were recommended Ellis Simms daws? now at Sunderland over Troy Parrot but Wallace knows better
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Post by Phantom Winger on Oct 24, 2022 16:14:44 GMT
Our big contract guys, Browne and Johnson, used to chip in with 10+ goals each now they struggle to start every week.
In Neil’s second season we we’re pretty free scoring - Barky, Robinson, Browne, Johnson and Gallagher of course all chipping in.
It’s all gone to pot. We seem coach goalscoring out of players.
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Post by themaclad on Oct 24, 2022 21:03:25 GMT
Did have to laugh he said in a club video tweet it wasn’t a 4-2 score line the comments pointed out it was
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