pne1971
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Post by pne1971 on Aug 20, 2022 17:13:31 GMT
Another great team performance, with that bit of luck that our play deserved in front of goal we would be top.
Browne and DJ not quite hitting top form as yet, but Woodburn and McCann don’t improve us when they come on.
Cunningham did well today but losing Hughes affects the forward play down the left-so hopefully nothing too serious.
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Post by mid010101 on Aug 20, 2022 19:14:41 GMT
Still unbeaten, no goals conceded in all honesty their keeper made some cracking saves where Freddie only made one, our forward line may not be producing but by the heck their overpaid, prima donnas up front couldn’t hit the proverbial barn door. Greg slotted in well for Hughes but I would have left Browney on he was having a good game and perhaps brought Brady off instead as looked knackered 2nd half. A number of tired legs at the end and still need to be convinced by Woodburn. Storey looking the part and again, not my favourite, but Lindsay certainly earning his corn. Ref looked an absolute sleeze with his grey long locks and hairband Peter Stringfellowesque Another cracking result for Plastics 🤣 I was sat at the back thought he was a she |
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Aug 20, 2022 19:33:34 GMT
Would have taken a point before the game (ones dropped against Millers are the ones annoying me). Thougght Watford shaded it...had more clear cut openings and it is probably just as well for us that neither Saar nor Pedro were playing. On the other hand their keeper had to pull off two good saves to keep them in it.
As long as we continue to play 3 defensive midfielders I can't see us scoring in a month of Sundays...simply don't get enough bodies in the box quick enough. Situation even harder today because the quality of Brady's crosses wasn't up to scratch (and we got none from Potts).
I don't knowe where those praising Browne are coming from .....kept an eye on him throughout the game.. Totally failed to pick up their No 39 (?) for most of the game, stood in space and lost the ball in dangerous areas. Likewise, although he had far more of the ball, the end contribution from DJ was negligible...no idea as to wjhy he kept drifting out to the left.
Thought Parrot was magnificent..worked his socks off and holds up the ball far better than Riss (Parrot my MoM)....but he needs support. If it means leaving out a midfielder so be it.
Also considered Storey and Lindsay very good indeed.
Didn't like the changes in the second half..too many and same as against Rotherham the side subsequently lost momentum.
It's 3 points for a win . 1 for a draw...got to gamble on getting better balls into the box and more players there.
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Phantom Winger
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Post by Phantom Winger on Aug 20, 2022 19:51:09 GMT
We were worried regarding the defence but we’ve not conceded yet.
In front of the back 6 (if I include wing backs) it’s less clear.
We perhaps need to consider if we need DJ and Browne. DJ would go for me. His one footed play is exposed in a faster game.
Ledson is often sacrificed but Whiteman equally or more likely to be subbed.
Parrott needs some link play.
If I’m honest 433 suits us more with Brady, Parrott and Riis up top but I realise we have enough MF players for three teams.
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Post by walburghian on Aug 20, 2022 20:15:08 GMT
If you wish to play with 1 Striker and a No. 10, that person has to be able to score goals. DJ hasa record that refutes him for this position - fact. RL must know that, but he won't play Riis with Parrot. Why? Answers on a postage stamp.
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Post by thefutureisbrown on Aug 20, 2022 20:21:21 GMT
Agree with Daws on Browne today thought he was poor. A lot of very average performances for me. Whilst the defenders are performing well I wonder how much of any of the improvement can be attributed to having Woodman in goal.
A couple of warning signs today with errors trying to play out of the back and Lindsay being left for dead once in the 2nd half.
Absolutely no threat down the right and all our play in the same area of the pitch and Parrott was so isolated. Too predictable.
Thought Ledson was good today and if we want to get 2 strikers back in the starting lineup then we need to drop dj or browne for Riis. The base midifeld of Ledson and Whiteman would hopefully keep us solid defensively but not leave Parrott so isolated and give Brady more to aim for.
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Phantom Winger
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Post by Phantom Winger on Aug 20, 2022 22:10:42 GMT
On a positive the atmosphere is fantastic and I can see us averaging 16 000 this year. Our highest in the championship (started 2004 I think)
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Aug 21, 2022 7:20:57 GMT
Probably best game I've seen Ledson play brown, partic. first half. We've no threat down the right bec. Potts simply isn't a wb...but he is putting in a shift doing his best. Thought game was too quick for DJ much of the time. As for Browne, yes he did get on the end of the best two goal chances we had ...the first came from an opportune volley (following a very good team move), the ball having spun into the air because of a miscontrol and whilst he did well to get into the box for the second effort , the ball hit him and I don't think he had any idea what direction it took.
For me we still need a right wb and an extra man up front. Looking forward tro see the lad from Utd because judging from his performance at Huddersfield he will take on defenders.
Defence is doing far better than expected, partic Storey and Lindsay...latter may lack a yard of pace but he had the sense when chasing in the second half to maintain his position, not allowing the Watford man to pull in front of him, inviting a collision, or take him down.
Short term I'd leave out either DJ or Browne (even both and select McCann) and put Riis in.
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Post by [email protected] on Aug 21, 2022 8:06:59 GMT
The striker role needs a serious looking at as the personnel we have at the minute are not good enough. The defence seems solid enough with yet another class goalkeeper behind them. Our best player by far is completely wasted at LWB
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Post by tommy on Aug 21, 2022 8:11:01 GMT
Striker role does need serious thought. As an example Blackpool can score 3 while being seriously tonked.
As for us teams now know that they win if they score.
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Post by makemineapint on Aug 21, 2022 8:18:47 GMT
The striker role needs a serious looking at as the personnel we have at the minute are not good enough. The defence seems solid enough with yet another class goalkeeper behind them. Our best player by far is completely wasted at LWB Maybe Brady could take over from Johnson if Ferdie becomes available? On the same tack, maybe Potts could take over from Browne if we signed the lesser spotted highly elusive RWB that we have been seeking over the span of a couple of years and maybe three managers. |
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Post by [email protected] on Aug 21, 2022 8:25:54 GMT
The striker role needs a serious looking at as the personnel we have at the minute are not good enough. The defence seems solid enough with yet another class goalkeeper behind them. Our best player by far is completely wasted at LWB Maybe Brady could take over from Johnson if Ferdie becomes available? On the same tack, maybe Potts could take over from Browne if we signed the lesser spotted highly elusive RWB that we have been seeking over the span of a couple of years and maybe three managers. Good shout DJ is too inconsistent |
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pne1971
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Post by pne1971 on Aug 21, 2022 10:34:18 GMT
Problem I have with leaving out DJ or Browne is that they are the best players we have, McCann and Woodburn both been tried now and bothe times it’s put us in a worse attacking position.
McCann certainly not a 10 and I wouldn’t swap him in for Ledson or Whitman on their showings.
Imo Riis would have started over Ledson yesterday if we were playing a “lesser” team, but RL wanted 2 cdm’s for Watford!
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Aug 21, 2022 11:33:57 GMT
On recent performances maybe it's more accurate to say Browne and DJ are the best players we have had. I've never been a Ledson fan but if he performed consistently the way he did in the first half yesterday I've have him in every time. Likewise if Potts keeps up the attitude and work rate...although I'd move him to the No 10 role.
It's not a change in personnel we need at the front...thought Parrot was magniificant yesterday, could not ask more from him.....it's more players in there and this means leaving out a midfielder. For all his technical limitations Riis has shown he can score...so he needs to be picked. On form the midfielder to leave out is either Browne or DJ.
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Post by themaclad on Aug 21, 2022 13:21:58 GMT
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Post by NobbyDawson on Aug 21, 2022 14:07:02 GMT
Ledson has certainly upped his game, if anything I thought he contributed at least as much as Wiseman if not more. Gone yesterday were the ugly lunges for 20/80 balls, but he is a competitive tackler, keeps the game moving and has an eye for a goal. As usual a couple of his passes were over ambitious, but they were delivered into the final third rather than defensive errors.
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pne1971
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Post by pne1971 on Aug 21, 2022 14:12:49 GMT
Good article- I love the quote “Preston arnt a defensive team, they are just good at defending” |
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Post by px6 on Aug 21, 2022 14:45:05 GMT
Good at defending by dictating the game.
People not watching are struggling to see why we are happy with the football. These cleans sheets aren’t through great defending, it’s by being on the front foot, going after every ball, having the ball the majority of the time.
Think people see a 0-0 and assume we are just sitting deep and grinding out a 0-0. Not the case.
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Post by NobbyDawson on Aug 21, 2022 14:57:16 GMT
Some entertaining play ...but not happy with the results. I was deflated when I left yesterday. Nothing like a win.(and Watford had easier chances to convert, than PNE).
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Post by walburghian on Aug 21, 2022 15:26:38 GMT
Good at defending by dictating the game. People not watching are struggling to see why we are happy with the football. These cleans sheets aren’t through great defending, it’s by being on the front foot, going after every ball, having the ball the majority of the time. Think people see a 0-0 and assume we are just sitting deep and grinding out a 0-0. Not the case. Right on the button. We are not a Defensive team, just good at Defending. Whether we should have 2 up front is determined by the Opposition. Results are what counts. Am I unhappy with a Draw against a very good Watford Team? No. Thought we might have issues next week vs Cardiff. Having seen some of the game today and the Goals, we will score &they wont. Hope that's not a curse for an upset.  PS just seen a heavy Chelsea team Outplayed by a Leeds Team that worked their Bo.....s off. |
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Post by smithy0312 on Aug 21, 2022 15:51:38 GMT
I would always prefer to see a team of triers who run their socks off for the team and not someone who could cost the club an absolute fortune (maybe even put the club in financial jeopardy) strutting around doing hardly anything even if the results don't always go our way. At this time the team are working immensely and the clean sheets are testament to this. The reason goals aren't coming is due to the way opposition teams pack the box when we attack this can be readicated by quicker transition from back to front catching teams on the break (this is how we scored at Luton) and having a second player up the pitch whether it is another striker or an attacking midfielder and play the ball out quicker. The atmosphere at Deepdale is one the best I've heard since 1999-2000 under Moyes well done everyone COYW
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Post by walburghian on Aug 21, 2022 16:32:27 GMT
I would always prefer to see a team of triers who run their socks off for the team and not someone who could cost the club an absolute fortune (maybe even put the club in financial jeopardy) strutting around doing hardly anything even if the results don't always go our way. At this time the team are working immensely and the clean sheets are testament to this. The reason goals aren't coming is due to the way opposition teams pack the box when we attack this can be readicated by quicker transition from back to front catching teams on the break (this is how we scored at Luton) and having a second player up the pitch whether it is another striker or an attacking midfielder and play the ball out quicker. The atmosphere at Deepdale is one the best I've heard since 1999-2000 under Moyes well done everyone COYW You weren't referring to Ronaldo on £500k per wk by any chance? Leeds have just proven that you can beat better Teams with workrate. England did in 1966 - we were not the best Players but the best Team and the best workrate - just like Newcastle & Leeds today |
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Post by ginagee on Aug 21, 2022 17:48:13 GMT
Ledson has certainly upped his game, if anything I thought he contributed at least as much as Wiseman if not more. Gone yesterday were the ugly lunges for 20/80 balls, but he is a competitive tackler, keeps the game moving and has an eye for a goal. As usual a couple of his passes were over ambitious, but they were delivered into the final third rather than defensive errors. There is a very good player in there, some over ambitious passes but certainly improved his game |
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Post by ginagee on Aug 21, 2022 17:53:56 GMT
It is what it is, we are unbeaten, could have had 8 if the luck was with us, the atmosphere at Deepdale best I’ve ever known, it will come, so will goals against, very early days enjoy the journey …… double 3 0 away defeats would be a different kettle of fish 🤣
Hand on heart, keep Riis, raw talent, but get someone else in to take the pressure off, goals will come and goals will be conceded …. Flipping enjoy it !!!
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Post by walburghian on Aug 22, 2022 18:35:56 GMT
Just watched them highlights on iFollow. We are playing well and their Goallie saved to blinders from Browne. Like what we're doing, the effort and the organisation. Watford are a class team at this level & our Goallie only made 1 significant save, as opposed to theirs. Having watched the ways Cardiff conceded at the weekend, I'm confident of a win onSaturday.
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Post by kzwhitesclub on Aug 23, 2022 9:03:24 GMT
Performance wise should be winning games but one gripe Brady although very good player three times lost the ball with bad passes and they couldve counter attacked well and rolled us ! Yes need put ball int net Lowe needs to explain why no Riis early on are we selling  Play Riis and Parrot or Ched with Riis drop Parrot back into attacking MF UTW DTTB |
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Play Riis and Parrot or Ched with Riis drop Parrot back into attacking MF