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Post by Mooney on Mar 6, 2022 9:46:22 GMT
It’s an interesting last few minutes for sure! I’m not fully conversant with the laws of the game, but regarding the foul on Billing prior to the winning goal, what’s significant is that: 1) The referee waved play on (and in fact booked AB for the foul after) and 2) Bournemouth messed the advantage up
To my mind, that makes the decision to allow the goal the correct one. Of course, I’m happy for any of our more qualified people (Pete) to tell me otherwise.
Thought Hughes, DJ, Potts and Diaby were all outstanding yesterday, but that save from Iversen… wow, simply incredible. Watching our second goal back, it’s a sublime finish yet watching from the stand I was on my feet celebrating before he even hit it, what a hit. Again.
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Post by Phantom Winger on Mar 6, 2022 11:05:32 GMT
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Post by PrestonPete on Mar 6, 2022 12:34:59 GMT
It’s an interesting last few minutes for sure! I’m not fully conversant with the laws of the game, but regarding the foul on Billing prior to the winning goal, what’s significant is that: 1) The referee waved play on (and in fact booked AB for the foul after) and 2) Bournemouth messed the advantage up To my mind, that makes the decision to allow the goal the correct one. Of course, I’m happy for any of our more qualified people (Pete) to tell me otherwise. I can see why Parker etc were upset. There was no real advantage to Bournemouth as the attacker never got the ball under control and the ref has the right to pull play back in that case. Indeed you could argue that because of Browne's foul they were disadvantaged as the player was still on the floor playing Riis onside as we broke back. |
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Post by makemineapint on Mar 6, 2022 13:13:51 GMT
I think we may have been on the end of the occasional refereeing decision in our time so I ain’t going to get too upset for poor old Bournmouth.
If I remember correctly it was poor old Billings who was lying on the floor like he had been shot was the one who barged McCann into the hoardings down at their place.
“Giant” of a club like Bournmouth built on cheating the system with dirty money, all of a sudden they forget where they came from. Can’t be doing with them.
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Post by ginagee on Mar 6, 2022 13:15:21 GMT
In fairness the Ref tried to keep the game flowing and was letting things go, we were just as hard done to at times. Smyth, who was red carded from the bench, did 3 pretty bad fouls one after to other down the left yesterday in front of the STF and Ref took no action … tit for tat, Parker a cry baby because they lost, poor loser.
Loving this from Bournemouth Forum:-
These awful, awful, awful referees always seem to turn up for our Defeats....they never attend our Wins...ain't that kinda strange
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Post by nelson on Mar 6, 2022 14:59:32 GMT
If the goals had been scored the other way around there's be a stream of posts on here complaining about the refereeing. Overall a deserved win but the ref should have stopped the play in the run up to both the goals following fouls on Cantwell and Billing. (Even if the PNE goals had been carried over the goal line I'd have still taken them. Bournemouth yet another club built on dirty Russian money). I don't think the game showed much more than we have come to expect,,,the exception being Diaby's performance. I'd been told by Barnsley fans that he is a good stopper but clearances can be 'agricultural'...apart from one clearance aimed at the passing clouds I thougt he looked a significant asset. Good in the air, read the game well, passed sensibly. My MoM Hughes...we would have been overwhelmed down the left in the first half had it not been for his performance. Being at fault for their goal unfortunately detracted but still made a major contribution. For how long Lowe can keep on picking Earl is beyond me. Browne not at the races first half..even after Lowe moved him around....quick Bournemouth interplay too much for him. Archer not in the game first half when he never got a pass. Iversen .....to pull off best save I've seent this season when not having had much to do was immense. We are going to miss him. There's a very decent team beginning to take shape but given the loan losses at the end of the season and the limitations of a number of existing players there's still a long way to go. At the very least though it is infinitely better stuff to watch than experienced for a couple of seasons. Gate remains pathetic ...official figure for the number of away fans yesterday is utter nonsense. Prob less tha 11,000 home fans on and with gates like that club does not deserve to go anywhere. Firstly, the gate wasn’t pathetic. It’s where we are. Secondly, where were you, I bought you a beer as shown in my avatar, I guess is still on the table in the fanzone |
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Post by nelson on Mar 6, 2022 15:02:03 GMT
It’s an interesting last few minutes for sure! I’m not fully conversant with the laws of the game, but regarding the foul on Billing prior to the winning goal, what’s significant is that: 1) The referee waved play on (and in fact booked AB for the foul after) and 2) Bournemouth messed the advantage up To my mind, that makes the decision to allow the goal the correct one. Of course, I’m happy for any of our more qualified people (Pete) to tell me otherwise. Thought Hughes, DJ, Potts and Diaby were all outstanding yesterday, but that save from Iversen… wow, simply incredible. Watching our second goal back, it’s a sublime finish yet watching from the stand I was on my feet celebrating before he even hit it, what a hit. Again. Once he’s waved for advantage the play cannot be bought back, if he waits to see if there is an advantage but doesn’t signal so he has a limited time to bring it back. Yesterday was the correct decision as he signalled the advantage. The first goal was one of those where it would be a soft free kick if given but have seen them go both ways. |
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Post by PrestonPete on Mar 6, 2022 15:45:24 GMT
People complain that our gates are poor.
Our average gate when we were at this level in the late 70's under Nobby Stiles from memory were about 2k below our current average. We got between 8k to 10k unless there was a large away following such as Chelsea or a local derby.
There wasn't any live footy on TV or a Premier League where virtually all our our neighbours had been in with the hype that has attracted.
We have only had large crowds when it was a distant age and the cost of attending was not 3 hours wages for the average worker. Let alone the other attractions and expenses people have these days.
Basically most people have to work for nearly 1/2 a day to pay to go onto a home match.
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Post by PNE From Afar on Mar 6, 2022 16:02:06 GMT
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Post by Phantom Winger on Mar 6, 2022 16:04:07 GMT
Nothing wrong with our gates decent in fact.
No point dredging it up time and again.
We built the stadium I presume for the prem but in truth it’s 5k too big.
Excellent stadium. Cherries fans acknowledged it too.
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Post by nelson on Mar 6, 2022 16:26:45 GMT
People complain that our gates are poor. Our average gate when we were at this level in the late 70's under Nobby Stiles from memory were about 2k below our current average. We got between 8k to 10k unless there was a large away following such as Chelsea or a local derby. There wasn't any live footy on TV or a Premier League where virtually all our our neighbours had been in with the hype that has attracted. We have only had large crowds when it was a distant age and the cost of attending was not 3 hours wages for the average worker. Let alone the other attractions and expenses people have these days. Basically most people have to work for nearly 1/2 a day to pay to go onto a home match. Spot on. Why would anyone say that our attendances are pathetic, except to provoke a reaction? ProudPreston29 said the other day that he had to pick and choose his matches due to the costs associated and that goes for many of our fans. Also, you don’t need to spend money on the team to be a fan. |
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Post by px6 on Mar 6, 2022 16:57:34 GMT
Apart from the Davies era we’ve hovered around 10k home fans. Will be interesting to see numbers next season if we have a strong finish, will the Lowe effect have an impact?
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Post by ProudPreston29 on Mar 6, 2022 17:10:41 GMT
Apart from the Davies era we’ve hovered around 10k home fans. Will be interesting to see numbers next season if we have a strong finish, will the Lowe effect have an impact? I actually think the attendance will drop , come April gas and electric goes up around 60-90 pounds per month in most households which equates to 3 adult match tickets , add a child a couple of beers and a pie its not an option for most . Like nelson said it will be about being selective with fixtures |
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Post by dawsonsjs on Mar 6, 2022 19:35:39 GMT
'.....you don’t need to spend money on the team to be a fan' Nelson. This is a very good article on the subject. www.ft.com/content/05ec3750-82e2-11de-ab4a-00144feabdc0No, you don't need to spend money to be a fan.....or more accurately a follower. However if you are not spending money than you are sod all use to the club you purport to follow. Ask 'who is misssed?' if they stop following.....the one spending money or the one not spending money? That's the difference...one is valuable to a club and needed to practically support it and push it on, the other isn't missed as they are of no practical value anyway. ------ Totally get the cost of living point....last Friday I paid £1.89.8 a litre for diesel, expecting £2 a litre before long, going to cost me £40 and more a time just to get to and from Deepdale. Football needs to put its own costs in order, partic the ludicrous wages being paid to players, at least in the Champ transfer fees are on the decline. PNE in particular needs to slash the wage bill even at the risk of undermining expectation. In these miserable times (post Covid, inflation) football is a welcome diversion but the horrors of what is going on in Ukraine reflect on what is important...if anybody says 'I can't afford it. family first' that is completely understandable. However it doesn't stop me thinking our gates are comparatively poor and that we should be getting more on than we are doing. |
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Post by makemineapint on Mar 6, 2022 20:42:35 GMT
Is Covid actually “post”?
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Post by px6 on Mar 6, 2022 20:44:32 GMT
Apart from the Davies era we’ve hovered around 10k home fans. Will be interesting to see numbers next season if we have a strong finish, will the Lowe effect have an impact? I actually think the attendance will drop , come April gas and electric goes up around 60-90 pounds per month in most households which equates to 3 adult match tickets , add a child a couple of beers and a pie its not an option for most . Like nelson said it will be about being selective with fixtures And how easy it is to stream every game these days. Long gone are the days where it was an event if north end where on the tele! |
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Post by Mooney on Mar 6, 2022 21:49:53 GMT
Is Covid actually “post”? No. Figures are low because no bugger is testing any more! |
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Post by Phantom Winger on Mar 6, 2022 22:54:34 GMT
Is Covid actually “post”? No. Figures are low because no bugger is testing any more! Correct |
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Post by FinneyFan on Mar 7, 2022 12:29:54 GMT
cracking game, after the first 10mins.Bambo could soon become a fans favourite
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Post by nelson on Mar 7, 2022 20:00:29 GMT
'.....you don’t need to spend money on the team to be a fan' Nelson. This is a very good article on the subject. www.ft.com/content/05ec3750-82e2-11de-ab4a-00144feabdc0No, you don't need to spend money to be a fan.....or more accurately a follower. However if you are not spending money than you are sod all use to the club you purport to follow. Ask 'who is misssed?' if they stop following.....the one spending money or the one not spending money? That's the difference...one is valuable to a club and needed to practically support it and push it on, the other isn't missed as they are of no practical value anyway. ------ Totally get the cost of living point....last Friday I paid £1.89.8 a litre for diesel, expecting £2 a litre before long, going to cost me £40 and more a time just to get to and from Deepdale. Football needs to put its own costs in order, partic the ludicrous wages being paid to players, at least in the Champ transfer fees are on the decline. PNE in particular needs to slash the wage bill even at the risk of undermining expectation. In these miserable times (post Covid, inflation) football is a welcome diversion but the horrors of what is going on in Ukraine reflect on what is important...if anybody says 'I can't afford it. family first' that is completely understandable. However it doesn't stop me thinking our gates are comparatively poor and that we should be getting more on than we are doing. Thats rubbish about not spending money on the club means you are of no practical value. There are several reasons why people can’t spend money on PNE, but nevertheless, it’s totally wrong and even shows a bit of egotism and arrogance to suggest otherwise. jaiyenyen is every bit as big a fan of Preston as you are and at this moment it’s impossible for him to watch the club, same goes for walburghian. They are not not just followers, they are also fans of the club, 100% |
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Post by makemineapint on Mar 8, 2022 6:56:06 GMT
I got the cold sweats when I read the “I’m a better fan than you post” the other day, I thought that I had logged on to PNE-Online by mistake. I haven’t been to Deepdale since Covid began, I could have but due to certain circumstances that I don’t want to discuss on here it seems that after attending my first match as a seven year old, 68 years ago I have all of a sudden become a rubbish fan.  I keep reading about the exciting football being played under the new manager on here, I wish you would stop it, it brasses me off that I am missing it. I have to go on Online to read how crap we are still and how third rate our players are, how really bad guys like Josh Earl are amongst others so I don’t feel to bad missing things.  |
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Post by dawsonsjs on Mar 8, 2022 8:51:14 GMT
The 'better fan than you' should be obvious specious nonsense.
Nowhere have I referred to those who cannot attend because of their location or because of soem other short-term factor.
What I am saying is that those who actually turn up at Deepdale , thereby putting their money into the club are the ones who are practically supporting the club.
Tough if you don't like it but, as I said, the yardstick question is ' How would those who don't turn up and put their money into the club be missed if their purported allegiance did not exist?'
Again, I would suggest the obvious answer is 'they wouldn't'
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And, for the record, I don't think that those fans who buy STs and attend games are 'better' fans but I consider that their increased value to the club is indisputable.
And I consider they are also far better qualified to comment on the team. Armchair fans at best can only see what the camera follows.
And if posters don't like thsi then tough..it's opinion backed with reason.
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Post by makemineapint on Mar 8, 2022 9:01:06 GMT
The 'better fan than you' should be obvious specious nonsense. Nowhere have I referred to those who cannot attend because of their location or because of soem other short-term factor. What I am saying is that those who actually turn up at Deepdale , thereby putting their money into the club are the ones who are practically supporting the club. Tough if you don't like it but, as I said, the yardstick question is ' How would those who don't turn up and put their money into the club be missed if their purported allegiance did not exist?' Again, I would suggest the obvious answer is 'they wouldn't' ----- And, for the record, I don't think that those fans who buy STs and attend games are 'better' fans but I consider that their increased value to the club is indisputable. And I consider they are also far better qualified to comment on the team. Armchair fans at best can only see what the camera follows. And if posters don't like thsi then tough..it's opinion backed with reason. Its sad that you feel a need to post this crap! |
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Post by pne1971 on Mar 8, 2022 11:32:35 GMT
The 'better fan than you' should be obvious specious nonsense. Nowhere have I referred to those who cannot attend because of their location or because of soem other short-term factor. What I am saying is that those who actually turn up at Deepdale , thereby putting their money into the club are the ones who are practically supporting the club. Tough if you don't like it but, as I said, the yardstick question is ' How would those who don't turn up and put their money into the club be missed if their purported allegiance did not exist?' Again, I would suggest the obvious answer is 'they wouldn't' ----- And, for the record, I don't think that those fans who buy STs and attend games are 'better' fans but I consider that their increased value to the club is indisputable. And I consider they are also far better qualified to comment on the team. Armchair fans at best can only see what the camera follows. And if posters don't like thsi then tough..it's opinion backed with reason. Interesting equation to try and judge the "quality" of a fan.. ((its a bit like judging the size of a club..(fan base, ticket holders, history, league or cup success etc, etc to the point where it becomes a nonsense- Are Citeh bigger or better than Arsenal??)) but i suppose if you are judging a "fans value to a club" it may come down to finances alone.. Me, buying 3 season tickets, driving my dad to the game, (he wouldn't go without me) spending this year alone £1000 in the club shop, buying 3 drinks per home game would make me a better fan than yourself, (who seems to think paying £40 per game on fuel across the Pennies makes you more valuable to the club) but maybe the guy that buys an executive box for £16k a season as a business tax write off, then never goes is a better fan than me.. Overall its about backing the team as best you can... but most importantly its about staying with the team through thick and thin.. |
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Post by dawsonsjs on Mar 8, 2022 13:41:15 GMT
71.....it isn't a question of the more you contribute the better the fan and nowhere have I even intimated this. Indeed I never even introduced the word 'better'...how on earth can anybody define such? It's others who in their speed to take offence have determined this. What I have done is draw a distinction between a qualitative subjective judgement, 'better' if you are going to use this (over which it is pointless arguing because it is a subjective matter) and an objective assessable one'value'.
And I would have thought that anybody who puts anything into the club is of value to the club irrespective of the amount.
It is all very well being a fan or a follower but unless you are adding to the gate money or putting in money in some other way then you are of no value to the club! Period. And if posters take umbrage at this, then that's their problem....but they should not conflate it with 'better'.
What's even worse, indeed hypocritical, is when there are claims to support the club (without attendance even when it is possible) but shelling out for Sky Sport....thereby, in the main, financially supporting Prem clubs and those with parachute payments.
It's like someone saying 'I really like BMWs' and then driving a Renault. Nothing wrong with it or their sentiment but it is of no value to BMW.
What p's me off though are the number of people I talk to who claim to support the club (and could do so) but when I ask them 'what's the last match they saw?' they can't give an answer and have to think about it or it's only a couple of matches a season.
I suppose you could say that this is their choice...and it is....but don't anybody tell me they are supporting the club in the same way as someone who turns up for most games, because they are not.
And the club will never go anywhere with floating voters or armchair fans....yet they'll moan about everything from prices to the way the club is run and the team the manager picks, and then think that because they 'support' the club their opinion is as valid as those who watch games. Well it isn't.
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Post by deepdaleoldun on Mar 8, 2022 17:24:44 GMT
It,s now official I am a PNE fan not a supporter which is exactly how I have seen myself for the last few years
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Post by Phantom Winger on Mar 8, 2022 17:43:43 GMT
I repeat the home gates reflect the size of the city. Typically 5-10% of the local populous.
Every club has floating supporters. 90% of United’s have never stepped foot inside old Trafford.
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Post by ProudPreston29 on Mar 8, 2022 18:10:24 GMT
If being a better fan is about how much you spend , let me throw another spanner into the works. Hows about the "better fan is the one that chucks what they can afford into the pot. Myself and the lad try to go on as many games as we can afford , this isnt many by the way.
Someone who earns £100000 per year and spends £400 on a season ticket or maybe add a junior ticket so £650 per year or me that earns alot lot less but maybe spends £400 per year , Whos the better fan!!!
Personally dont think you can judge people on what they spend or how many games they see , i wanted to watch Bournemouth and went to the ticket office . I even asked for a deal on Blackpool/Bournemouth combo, the club said no so i bought one match instead of two lad was disappointed and so was i to let him down but dont judge me cause i didnt put and extra £25 into the kitty
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Post by smithy0312 on Mar 8, 2022 18:12:04 GMT
Typically 90% of utd fans have never stepped out of London
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