Personally I’d be happy enough to see it happen, been saying for years I felt it would come.. let the big 6 sod off and take their billions with them. There will still be money in the game but just at a lesser rate with more clubs challenging for the top.. It’s only similar to the premiership starting up 30 years ago IMO!!
I posted a long time ago this would not go away. My feeling is based on unity of what's left 1, Let them go and do what they want 2, No coming back that's it 3, Rebalance the leagues and maybe add north and south into L1 & L2 4, BBC should not buy [with our money] any new league format games 5, England are rubbish never win anything, so no players in the new league can play for England, we will then get an England team without the prima donna's 6, Encourage the fans of the big English clubs to find another club...who wants to be associated with this treachery
It's all about money but lastly who want to watch tippy tappy Shi## football...its trash and boring. I suffered the FA semi final Chelski V Shi## over the weekend truly boring awful football!
Yes they certainly want to stick around and just have a new shiny competition worth about £300 million a year to each club, the top 6 will definitely become the top 6 in the league then. These same clubs that don’t want FA cup replays but are happy to start a new mid-week 20 team league. What is their incentive to actually perform in their domestic leagues though?
This is the time for uefa, fifa, FA, Prem league etc to step up and say go ahead and join but we have the power to vote you out of our comps/leagues. What would be the point in the champs league? Can we really see the prem going through with expelling them? The leagues value would seriously drop. The international one is interesting, I would love fifa to turn around and say you can’t play in our international tournaments if you play in this.
I would love fans to boycott it, players dismiss it as they won’t be able to play international football and it turn into a farce of a competition. We all know money talks though and this won’t happen.
Sky will be seriously panicking. This plus the possibility of matchroom boxing leaving them. Can’t see many people paying out £100 a month for Burnley v Crystal Palace as a super Sunday game.
As far as we’re concerned, I hope they naff off and get expelled from our domestic competitions. Not like we play these or massively benefit from any premier league money (yes some filters down). This may actually make the whole pyramid a more even keel once the original shock has played out.
Nothing but greedy barstewards. Having spurs and arsenal in it is a joke. Haven't Leicester finished above both of them the last 5 years ? The whole thing is rotten to the core, saying that , footy been rotten since the Premier league started .
Nicely put, but just underlines that everyone’s looking after their self interests first and foremost. Our interests are we want more money from the premier league. A drum Risdale banged since covid started. Probably written by Risdale that article.
Probably not a view shared by the top six, who think they have the most power.
It's not about sticking around at all, it's about breaking away and creating a European Super League (with no relegation). It would be impossible to stay in the Prem and be in this League because of highly contentious broadcasting rights, never mind fixture issues. Does anyone think for one moment that the rump Prem would give up its lucrative deals....which the Super League identifies as picking up for itself and not sharing.
Implications? A huge fall in income for the Prem league and for both parachute and 'solidarity; payments leaving the whole of football worse off and clubs in L1 and 2 in a parlous state without the current level of solidarity payments.
It's easy to say 'sod off then, good riddance' but the implications are massive.
As the top 6 do have the most power they will do exactly what they want....and they won't give a toss what fans think because the global TV earnings will be astronomical.
Just look at the ownership of the English teams signing up, American, American, American, British but Bahamas resident, United Arab Republican. What care any of them for English football, history and traditions...it's just another business and for the Yanks money making pot.
Seems to be some divergence of opinion on the subject....but if they were running two sides then how many fans could afford two games in a week? Secondly there are rules on fielding deliberately weak teams . Thirdly the whole Prem League competition is completely undermined if there are some matches featuring only a weakened second string. Not fair on anybody else and not fair on the fans. It's just not credible or feasible.
I would not say it looks 'odds on' at all because the other Prem clubs would need to accept it..and the only thing that is in it for them is a weakened competition and a reduction in TV income.
Post by cumbrianpastyface on Apr 19, 2021 15:53:39 GMT
FWIW I doubt that this will come to fruition.
I suspect that the clubs involved knew exactly what the reaction was going to be, but what it does do is give them further levearge on how European football is organised. If they dont get their own way they will have this to fall back on.
Post by Phantom Winger on Apr 19, 2021 16:12:42 GMT
Some of the teams aren’t super. The concept is hideous. I won’t watch it. Foreign ownership has led us to where we are now. Surely it won’t happen in the format suggested.
For the six involved doesn’t matter what happens now, they’ve shown their hand. People won’t forget that in a hurry IMO.
"To dictate the pace and course of a game, a player has to be blessed with awesome qualities. Those who have accomplished it on a regular basis can be counted on the fingers of one hand – Pelé, Maradona, Best, Di Stefano, and Tom Finney"
Teams may set out with all intentions to win this new super league and their domestic league but these are the same teams that have been calling for the scrapping of FA cup relays and the league cup. Now they are willing to take in a new 20 team mid-week competition.
Is this meant to be a second league or a champs league style format? Do you play each team twice or are they 1 off games?
Once a team has fallen out of a domestic title race them where is the motivation to challenge in the league with their super league place already secured.
Sounds like a perfect way of getting their B teams in the pyramid to me. Relegated to the championship but still in the super league with £300 million a year income.
Listened to Simon Jordan on talksport this morning and he doesn’t believe it happens. He thinks it’s a smoke screen to force UEFA and FIFA’s hand in regards to the distribution of money and re-structure ideas of the champs league plus FIFA’s idea of a world club cup.
What it's about appears to be shifting by the minute. Quite clear it's not going to happen so what is it about? If it's a way of exerting pressure getting everyone's back up seems a bonkers way to go about it.
American owners wanting a league with no relegation as a cash cow, B teams playing home based football to develop players, wouldn’t surprise me if they also pushed fir a C team to be entered into the EFL for youth development.. Personally I think it’s way football has been going for years!! Only thing that surprises me is that no one is making comparisons from when the premiership did exactly the same thing..
It's not the same thing though...whilst Prem League broke away from the Football League the pyramid structure was maintained with promotion and relegation, albeit Prem League has gone on to try and perpetuate itself with parachute payments. This European proposal woudl involve the removal of the first team out of the structure and presumably Cup competitions as they could not be fitted in. The Prem League didn't destroy the prospect of a proper derby such as L'pool v Everton or Chelsea v Fulham, these proposals do.
Anyway clear it's not going to happen....nobody buys into it.
Post by 53mileswestofvenus on Apr 19, 2021 22:12:54 GMT
Whatever happens now it underlines the chasm between the entitled super rich and everyone else.
Grimsby Town are running a shirt amnesty where any one who turns up at the club shop with one of the "Big 6" shirts can swap it for a Grimsby shirt. Really good bit of publicity, the donated shirts are being sent to Africa for charities.
We should do this, I've tweeted the official PNE twitter account.
I see the premium league have confirmed that the big 6 won’t be allowed to play in a European league and the premiership—exactly what they wanted anyways IMO.. they can now say “they didn’t abandon english football” and that they “were kicked out”!!
Maybe time for a reshuffle and bring in the Scottish league?
Nothing but another land grab as it comes up to reorganising the Champs League.
We might all wonder what UEFA does from time to time but well done to the new Chair for knocking this proposal on the head and not mincing his words...and well done to Klopp as well for having the integrity to publicly speak out against it even though Pool are one of the selfish greedy clubs involved.
And did anyone notice that no German club is involved? I wonder could this have anything to do with the ownership structure of German clubs and the fans representation? If so, a lesson there.
Although UK governments have historically had a stand off position when it comes to allowing governing bodies of sports to get on with running their game and not interfering the fact that so many politicians, inc BJ, spoke out against these proposals yesterday ought to signal that it's about time there is a government enquiry into the ownership, structure, governance and funding of football in this country.
The game is rotten to the core....and despite all this so-called importance of fans as signified by Covid it's apparent that they count for nothing in the eyes of the powerful who control the big clubs.
Whilst there is no way the rabid nationalists in Scotland, the SNP and Scottish FA would accept an integration it would be brilliant for football in Scotland, producing a lot more income, and having the likes of Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Hibs would be a boost to footy here, once we've got used to town centres being wrecked.
I see this as the straw that broke the camel's back. 1 Sky don't get the tv rights and the Premier league not as attractive to worldwide audience without these 6 clubs so less money coming in 2 after a couple of seasons watching the same teams play each other at stupid times fans get bored and switch off again less money coming in 3 ESL collapses and these teams try to return to domestic leagues but can't as they're not registered with FA so have to reapply starting at the bottom 4 hopefully disillusioned fans watch other teams live and THESE increase income and make more of a level playing field & money filters down better and quicker Will it happen? Who knows? But you can bet they'll be some corruption at the top to push this through!!!!
1. Agree...also means less money for clubs like PNE, currently around £6m a year 'solidarity' payment 2. Their problem..fans also would not get to away games 3. Disagree....unless kicked out the |EFL they would continue to run 'second strings' in it. 4. Would they? Would fans switch clubs or just pack up?
I suppose all this was inevitable as soon as we got American ownership...I'm not anti-American at all just hate the way sport is run as a profit making business with little else counting.
With the franchise system in the USA and the closeness of the clubs in London and the North West maybe Manure could move lock stock and barrel to Dublin, maybe Chelsea could move to Bristol, and Liverpool to the North East or Brum.
They could maybe play grid iron or baseball during the summer and we could all start spelling things like tyres as tires.
Maybe they could put on matches to coincide with some of the Grands Prix or other sporting events across Europe and the Middle East.
I think this is very bad for the sport we all love and follow. Money doesn't really filter down through the pyramid now and if these so called big six do disappear to there new promised land it will dwindle even further. These clubs want to have their cake and eat it at the same time.
"If" such a short word but it means a lot. If the horse had not stopped to sh!t, it would have won the race! Life doesn't give you a practice run. Go and live it.
I am hearing that Man City may have pulled out. They weren’t up for it initially, got talked round by the others and now seen the backlash have changed their minds. Interesting how short lived this partnership was if this is true!
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