superiorno1pne
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Post by superiorno1pne on Feb 16, 2021 21:01:03 GMT
Blinkers? I think you missed out bonkers and it ain't me ask Neil while he hooked him?
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Feb 16, 2021 21:02:48 GMT
This pick on Barky is nonsense. Did you count how many times Browne gave the ball away tonight or got caught out of position? Same with Sinclair. When players are played out of position , Barky is no defender, you have to be prepared for what you get. The squad remains unbalanced and particularly lacking a rb.
Every one of those players put in a shift tonight and there wasn't that much difference between the teams. How many shots on goal did Watford have? Iverson was a passenger.
We just did not have the craft to open up a very good defence.
Instead of trying to find fault with what was a good performance how about recognising the quality of a team full of Prem players on Prem wages?
I, for one, was pleased with the performance...got the makings of a decent side and I didn't think we missed Pearson or Davies one jot. Missed \Fisher but, then again, you don't know how many dangerous free kicks he would have given away.
Ref did us no favours tonight...and I don't think the pitch helped, not often you see Deepdale so bobbly.
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Post by pnepeej on Feb 16, 2021 21:08:40 GMT
Best chance to score was probably off the high press. Seems to be the only way we can score! But Hughes played well, constantly found space to get them out and completely outplayed DJ
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Feb 16, 2021 21:12:14 GMT
Barky was hooked because we were not opening up the Watford defence..Barkhuizen's pace could not be used because they were so deep there was no space and, having scored, Watford were prepared to sit back and defend, so Barkhuizen wasn't needed to cover the fb spot.Gordon brought on to try and create something. Same way Riis and Potts on brought on to try and do something different.
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Phantom Winger
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Post by Phantom Winger on Feb 16, 2021 21:13:08 GMT
My lad said we would regret the miss first half and he was so right in the end unfortunately.
Watford conceded few goals this season.
Pen was unfortunate and the difference.
My only criticism is our play forward. It’s a random mess. We don’t know our best options.
Good commitment and work rate.
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Post by cornishpne on Feb 16, 2021 21:18:10 GMT
This pick on Barky is nonsense. Did you count how many times Browne gave the ball away tonight or got caught out of position? Same with Sinclair. When players are played out of position , Barky is no defender, you have to be prepared for what you get. The squad remains unbalanced and particularly lacking a rb. Every one of those players put in a shift tonight and there wasn't that much difference between the teams. How many shots on goal did Watford have? Iverson was a passenger. We just did not have the craft to open up a very good defence. Instead of trying to find fault with what was a good performance how about recognising the quality of a team full of Prem players on Prem wages? I, for one, was pleased with the performance...got the makings of a decent side and I didn't think we missed Pearson or Davies one jot. Missed \Fisher but, then again, you don't know how many dangerous free kicks he would have given away. Ref did us no favours tonight...and I don't think the pitch helped, not often you see Deepdale so bobbly. So what you are saying is that the best we can hope for each season is to finish midway because we can’t compete with relegated teams, teams with failure money and teams traditionally ‘bigger’ than us! Better not bother with cup games either with prem teams as definitely can’t compete with them. What a load of drivel. What you can’t do is play like that and expect anything. |
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Post by ginagee on Feb 16, 2021 21:18:52 GMT
Disappointed feel that Deepdale with a crowd would have affected the game tonight, positives for me Lindsay and Storey looking a decent pairing, Iversen nowt to do, they targeted Browne, he has lots to work on if he is to become an established RB, not a game for Sinclair tonight, Ched missed a gold3n chance Thought John Mousinho had returned for the opposition tonight with every time they said Messino tonight  |
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Post by walburghian on Feb 16, 2021 21:22:13 GMT
3rd penalty conceded by Barky in 3 years. If he could tackle, he would be a good Wingback
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superiorno1pne
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Post by superiorno1pne on Feb 16, 2021 21:23:09 GMT
Barky was hooked because we were not opening up the Watford defence..Barkhuizen's pace could not be used because they were so deep there was no space and, having scored, Watford were prepared to sit back and defend, so Barkhuizen wasn't needed to cover the fb spot.Gordon brought on to try and create something. Same way Riis and Potts on brought on to try and do something different. Absolute tosh I was graceful in defeat. I acknowledged Browne had a stinker what you need to do with your writing is remember this ' you can fool some people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all of the time. Don't waste my time and your time with a reply. Staggered |
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Feb 16, 2021 21:31:55 GMT
..and don't get above your station telling me what I can and can not do with your conceited arrogance.
You appear to have a vendetta against Barkhuizen for some inexplicable reason. He is the only player in the squad with any real pace, he never shirks and, when played at the front , chips in with his fair share of goals.
His passing and ball control are poor....and it doesn't help his game being played as a wb and being expected to cover in defence....which, objectively, he did well in the first half but was also the reason the pen came about,because he found himself yet again in the left back spot.
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pne1971
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Post by pne1971 on Feb 16, 2021 21:35:48 GMT
I felt barky played ok tonight, involved a hell of a lot more than Scotty. Very unlucky with the penalty and despite them being technically better than us, the only way that they would score was through a mistake or a fluke
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superiorno1pne
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Post by superiorno1pne on Feb 16, 2021 21:39:07 GMT
He can't play his Cross before he was hooked was amateur if he had no pace he would be on Moor Park! Its nothing personal and I apologise but, and you can copy and paste this if he is at Pne in 12 months and not in Div one ot two I will walk to Eccleshall Road and buy you a pint and yes you can quote me.
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Post by px6 on Feb 16, 2021 21:46:39 GMT
Barkys a good option, just rarely has a final ball in him. But if he did, he probably wouldn’t be playing for us. Always give 110%.
The defence is looking a lot more solid. Just need to stop giving away soft penalties now!
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Post by nextownerofpne on Feb 16, 2021 21:54:44 GMT
What do you reasonably expect?....our cf from Fleetwood £0, Watford cf £25m alone. I thought it was a very decent performance, very good work rate, good discipline, good organisation. Undone by a soft pen and a lack of fortune, ball just not dropping for us in the box. There you have it Daws . You get what you pay for . TH £40m in but none of it spent on buying players. Most clubs would not have considered £300k would be worth taking for a first choice rb . We bit Middlesbrough’s hand off instead of running his contract down and having a rb for the rest of the season . It was not as if we kept the money as we signed Cunningham when we had Earl in reserve. No money for players , crap squad management, PNE survives in the Champ in spite of TH not because of him. |
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superiorno1pne
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Post by superiorno1pne on Feb 16, 2021 22:12:42 GMT
No your wrong next owner if I was to tell you just what they paid to be up here it is obscene.
We are what we are and we have improved thats all we will get anything else would be delusional.
Unless we get someone like J P Magnet putting millions in it is not happening. Let me remind you next owner without TH you would have no team to whinge about! My argument and I was wrong to get personal tonight if we want to compete in this league we cannot have passengers Gally Nugent Barky Hughes (though he did ok tonight) Huntingdon Rafferty will not improve us. That's not personal my word they are good professionals but football is a business.
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pne1971
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Post by pne1971 on Feb 16, 2021 22:18:43 GMT
Storey and Lindsay look good
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Phantom Winger
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Post by Phantom Winger on Feb 16, 2021 22:32:26 GMT
Thought we missed Ledson and going forward we look so random.
Let’s be honest it’s a big 16 games for AN. We’re currently losing half of them.
Nothing on target again.
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Feb 16, 2021 23:11:44 GMT
Not too disheartened by that tonight, it’s the results against the likes of Rotherham and Sheff Wed have killed us. 15 defeats is pretty concerning though.
Thought Lindsay and Storey were a real plus tonight, Hughes ok defensively but I’d much rather Greg for his attacking intent.
Evans decent 1st half but he seemed to tire back end of 1st half and didn’t have much impact 2nd half.
This season is a write off and the aim has got to be to get to 53 points ASAP. Just hope the likes of Iversen and Molumby enjoy themselves enough to want to give it a crack of a full season.
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Post by prestonlad95 on Feb 16, 2021 23:40:29 GMT
Barky’s job tonight was to track back and help Hughes out against the best player in the league who was linked with United and Liverpool in the summer. It worked and the wingers swapped sides because of this. The penalty was sloppy but other than this he did what he was clearly told by AN. If you have an issue with his performance tonight you need to look higher up than him.
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Post by deepdaleoldun on Feb 16, 2021 23:48:15 GMT
We appear to have tightened up in defence and to not allow Watford one shot on target is impressive but to be brutal we really dont have a clue how to open a team up attack wise and every game is the same sometimes we get lucky like Blackburn and that papers over the cracks but taking our last twelve months we really have been inept 90% of the time
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Feb 17, 2021 7:37:31 GMT
.....and yet another Champ side without parachute money, Bristol City, has shown that throwing money at signing players isn't the answer as they now look for their 3rd manager this season.
Managers are key. We have now got so used to AN playing round pegs in square holes that nobody even comments on it any more...instead when the players don't perform to expectations the player gets criticised.
Take last night...Barkhuizen, a wide playing forward covering at lb, Sinclair, a good striker, pushed wide right, Browne, a midfielder capable of grabbing goals, at right back. Whiteman played a very much different role at Donny where he was a box to box midfielder coming up with goals, not a defensive sit in front of the back 4 player.
AN is clearly going nowhere despite the club's shocking home record and the team losing more matches than any other side in the division except Wycombe...the occasional unexpected victory, such as at Blackburn, seemingly keeping many on board.
I'm resigned to going nowhere as long as he is the manager.
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Post by px6 on Feb 17, 2021 8:28:39 GMT
Barky didn’t play left back all game? He helped out at the back. Doesn’t mean that he played left back.
How many Doncaster games have you watched to form such an opinion of Whiteman playing box to box? Or have you just read a few Twitter comments. He’s been brought into to play in this system.
Browne’s our only good option at right back.
Sinclairs a winger. Played 90% of his games as a winger. Stop saying he’s a striker.
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Post by Phantom Winger on Feb 17, 2021 10:15:11 GMT
Alan Browne is a developing right back. He’s going to get exposed occasionally but it will be interesting to see if we buy another one in 6 months.
Fine margins last night but I would like to see our recovery stats if we go one down.
If the gap to the top 6 widens tonight or at the weekend we have to do a Juergen and admit it’s gone.
Prep for next season and look at the squad and management.
I don’t want AN or the riddler to build the next one.
How many of our regulars are better now than they were 2 seasons ago?
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Post by NobbyDawson on Feb 17, 2021 10:30:09 GMT
AB was frustratingly poor using the ball last night. His first touch is usually skilful but his ability to spot and execute a pass, especially when being closed down, is often poor.
It is as though his feet cannot deliver what his brain is asking. (Saying that his assist for GC's goal was sublime)
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Feb 17, 2021 10:42:31 GMT
I could not begin to tell you how many times I've seen Whiteman play...seen him play for Shef U. Mansfield and Doncaster. This season I've simply watched Donny highlights on TV (mainly Quest) but also local TV and Sky L1 videos. Outside Lancashire clubs I've probably been on Donny's ground as much as any other club except Rotherham and Blades! I've family who work in Donny, know lads who have gone through the Academy system and have mates who are Donny ST holders!
You should watch this video px6, it will show the player Whiteman is (when he has a manager who uses him properly)
And I don't know how many times Browne has to play rb before it is clear to everyone that he isn't one.
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Post by px6 on Feb 17, 2021 11:16:47 GMT
He’s gotten in the box a few times with us already. I doubt AN has told him he can’t get forward anymore. Maybe told be more disciplined against the better teams like Watford.
Difference now he’s playing in a higher league in a team that relies more on hard work than talent. Chances are going to be few and far between in the championship. Donny are a decent league one team that always seem to play a possession based game. Where he’d get more opportunities to get forward.
Plus he’s unlucky not to have 2 goals already. Rotherham free kick and a good chance at sheff w, coincidentally he was getting in the box.
Certainly more capable than Pearson. And a championship ready midfielder for a minimum fee.
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Phantom Winger
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Post by Phantom Winger on Feb 17, 2021 12:15:41 GMT
Been impressed with Whiteman.
He’ll get even better when the personnel in front of him stabilises a bit.
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Post by nelson on Feb 17, 2021 12:39:53 GMT
dawsonsjs pretty much agree with everything you’ve said here although not sure if I’d get shut of AN at this moment. One other point that is debatable but not too important is about Barky being our quickest player, I think Molumby would give him a run for his money over the first 20 yards, he looked rapid last night when closing down players. deepdaleoldun is spot on about us not being able to open teams up. The number of clear cut chances we create must be at an all time low.
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Post by markos50 on Feb 17, 2021 13:46:42 GMT
Well daws, about your comment...
And I don't know how many times Browne has to play rb before it is clear to everyone that he isn't one.
Last night the commentator said AN says AB has the potential to be a top right back!
You see Alex knows best!
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Post by chris1987 on Feb 17, 2021 14:36:38 GMT
Not a bad performance, very solid at the back which is very good but the usual issue of struggling to break opposition down, a lack of guile and creativity. 4 seasons with AN and still not addressed this issue. 🤷♂️
Lindsay, Iverson and Evans look to be great signings up to now, very impressive.
Not much love for Sinclair and Barks at the moment from some. I get that to a degree, both not on form and largely unable to effect games lately. Are we using them correctly or is it a complete lack of ability. I would say they have both shown enough quality throughout their careers to date to make me believe we are not getting the best out of them rather than a lack of ability. I’ve read comments on what either of these two can’t do but maybe that needs flipping on its head and ask what each players strength is and how would we get the best out them instead. Sinclair can Finnish, is mobile and his movement is decent. He hasn’t looked great out wide up to now even though his goal return is pretty good, why not partner him with Evans up top and see what happens. Barkhuizen is rapid. Not often over the last 12 months have I seen AN play to that strength. Barks needs to been running onto balls and frightening teams with his pace in order to be effective. Anybody expecting Barks to receive the ball on half way and beat the opposition are dreaming so it’s harsh the criticism he receives. I find it very odd that these two lads have become scape goats when the manager seems to get away criticism free. Is it a coincidence that no matter who AN plays in the attacking positions they all look nowhere near their best, not effective and at times fed up.
Under AN we are going nowhere. If you believe otherwise then fair enough. 👍
The last 3 games have been an improvement on the past 12 months which is a positive but the predictable, slow, unimaginative forward play remains. The difference lately being Ched Evans ability to hold up the ball and turn horrendous aimless balls forward into something. 🤷♂️ Last nights game bored me to death at times and as soon as we went 1 behind I knew the game was gone, still have 30 mins to play but such is life under AN.
I don’t think we deserved to lose last night, Watford hardly troubled us but I can’t say we did enough to worry Watford either. Cardiff seem to have hit form with McCarthy in charge so the weekend will be a huge test.
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