Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Feb 6, 2021 17:18:51 GMT
Not in any mood tbh for a fishing expedition, rovers and Watford next, who really thinks we get anything ? Behave! No you ******* with your ******** daft attitude of ill try to wind people up because I think I'm funny. Daws, perhaps passion was the wrong thing to say, the games I've seen i feel they don't have an idea of what they're really doing . Everything is sideways , lack any belief. I have watched a good few games , just not today.
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Post by SLC on Feb 6, 2021 17:20:26 GMT
Why am I trying to wind folk up?, just offering my opinion
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Post by BroughtonWhite on Feb 6, 2021 17:21:30 GMT
But it can just as easily be said that Norwich, Brentford, Reading and Bournemouth haven’t found it easy against us. 4 games out of how many ??40??? What them 4 games show is the ability of the players we have. We have a very good squad in my eyes with a few that are not at this level. Neil can no longer get anything out of them. If Paul Cook had one game with these lads I'd back them to win. We have some really good champ players and it wasn't a new player who gifted rrotherham 2 goals today.it was someone who's had plenty of game for pne. In fact its the new lads who seemed to have played well. I was just quoting top 6 sides versus your bottom 3 line - there have been a few more - Boro at home springs to mind. Paul Cook? Would we not be trading a manager who has been promoted to the prem to a League one specialist?
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Post by nextownerofpne on Feb 6, 2021 17:21:40 GMT
Spent all week talking about cb’s, but have not got a rb or a forward that is good enough at this standard . Evans was probably the best we have seen for weeks and he is not good enough Stockly Nugent Rils McGuire Sinclair Evans all not good enough at this level . Overal cost over £35k a week. Fed up hearing we cannot afford a decent forward . Absolute rubbish it is just down to a penny pinching chairman who is actually spending thousands a week on players not good enough rather than investing properly and getting some quality .
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Feb 6, 2021 17:23:28 GMT
4 games out of how many ??40??? What them 4 games show is the ability of the players we have. We have a very good squad in my eyes with a few that are not at this level. Neil can no longer get anything out of them. If Paul Cook had one game with these lads I'd back them to win. We have some really good champ players and it wasn't a new player who gifted rrotherham 2 goals today.it was someone who's had plenty of game for pne. In fact its the new lads who seemed to have played well. I was just quoting top 6 sides versus your bottom 3 line - there have been a few more - Boro at home springs to mind. Paul Cook? Would we not be trading a manager who has been promoted to the prem to a League one specialist? Not sure id want Paul.cook but I'm trying to make a point as to how good our squad is and anyone but Neil would have these lads playing better than what they are. Boro at home yes we shall make that 5 .
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Post by walburghian on Feb 6, 2021 17:23:46 GMT
The Manager is responsible for Coaching the Team, sorting out the Tactics and generally winning more Games than we lose. Firstly, it has been evident for many weeks now that nobody in Defence knows anything about Marking their man. Shortly before and including their 2nd Goal, we had more players in Defence but all their Attackers were Free/Unmarked. The lead up to the 2nd Goal Lopadu?/Left sided Attacker was 15 yds behind Hunts, so they found him. Everyone converges on him and they have 4 vs 1 across the 5yd box. Awful and schoolboy football. I feel Hunts was Subbed because he couldn't cope. SEcondly, no-one can pass a ball to a man and- this is the crunch - they always pass to a stationary person and never to run onto. Is that because there is no movement? Finally, when we get chances we should put them away and we do not, apart from Evans turning very quickly to score his goal. As far as watching North End is concerned, then it was far more enjoyable than last week and we did put them under a lot of pressure but the players are either not doing as they are told or they are being given poor advice by AN. At the end, you could see the players revert to type. Don't give the ball away, just Pass it in a pedestrian mannersideways across the pitch but never forward, backwards quite often. Bring back Big Sam! 
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Feb 6, 2021 17:30:54 GMT
Sums up twitter and one online this tweet .
The majority are looking at the manager .
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Post by nextownerofpne on Feb 6, 2021 17:30:56 GMT
Rafferty is bloody useless I think we all agree on that Absolututy, how we can sign 7 loanees and none of them a right back is beyond me . Too interested in taking a lousy £300k for Fisher. He is a different class and then is not saying a lot. What was the point of signing Cunningham for £9k a week . Hughes does a job and we should be working with a Earl not loaning him out . Overall awful management .
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Post by SLC on Feb 6, 2021 17:32:27 GMT
Rafferty is bloody useless I think we all agree on that Absolututy, how we can sign 7 loanees and none of them a right back is beyond me . Too interested in taking a lousy £300k for Fisher. He is a different class and then is not saying a lot. What was the point of signing Cunningham for £9k a week . Hughes does a job and we should be working with a Earl not loaning him out . Overall awful management . I would have played a poorly sick Browne ahead of him
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Post by px6 on Feb 6, 2021 17:40:27 GMT
Not a bad performance. We just need to stop giving away soft goals.
Thought Gordon & Evans looked useful. Whiteman going to be a great player.
Both fullbacks are useless. Such a massive part of today’s game and we have two that wouldn’t get in another championship team.
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Feb 6, 2021 17:50:30 GMT
Not a bad performance. We just need to stop giving away soft goals. Thought Gordon & Evans looked useful. Whiteman going to be a great player. Both fullbacks are useless. Such a massive part of today’s game and we have two that wouldn’t get in another championship team. I don't understand why we are paying cunnigham 9k a week and he didn't start. I said when we signed whiteman and watched his passing last week against owls that he's going to be a good one, good to hear he did well today .
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PNE From Afar
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Post by PNE From Afar on Feb 6, 2021 17:52:41 GMT
Hunts will be gone once Bauer comes back next season. We've missed him.
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Feb 6, 2021 17:56:59 GMT
Hunts will be gone once Bauer comes back next season. We've missed him. Might explain the 1 year extension , plus a testimonial as he's been excellent for pne .
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Post by SLC on Feb 6, 2021 17:59:25 GMT
Hunts will be gone once Bauer comes back next season. We've missed him. Like I've said before, Hunts is Mr PNE, but like Sup says, he's had his day in the championship
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chris1987
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Post by chris1987 on Feb 6, 2021 18:03:36 GMT
We should not have lost that game and plenty of positives to take.
Sloppy silly goal to give away which put us on the back foot straight away. AN as much I can’t stand him surely cannot legislate for an opening goal like that. Given our previous I couldn’t see a way back into the game but to my surprise we played really well in that first half, created some really good chances but need to be more clinical. Should have been 3-1 or 4-1 up by half time no bother. Totally different game then. Their keeper played well. That’s the best half of football I’ve seen us play in ages, really enjoyable for a change.
One of my biggest gripes with AN has been his set up at home and his reluctance for change or solutions. Always going 4-2-3-1 expecting different results even though we’ve been hopeless. Today to his credit we went 4-3-3 and looked much better going forward. That’s all you can ask for, trying to find a solution to things that are not working. I can live with that.
Whiteman’s best game for us easily, thought he was excellent at times, reading the game well, bursting forward, dropping his shoulder beating men, worked tremendously hard, box to box, forward passes and very unlucky with that free kick, was a cracker.
Molumby likewise was very very good. Both these two have given us something very different in our midfield, more bite and drive. Very happy to have both of these on board.
Evans lead the line really well, linked up well and deserves his goal. Think he ran out of steam towards the end but that’s understandable.
Agree with Dawson that our full backs will really hold us back, desperately needs addressing. Fisher doesn’t look all that bad now does he. We will miss him more than people will let on.
Gordon looks a live wire, always wanting the ball, looking to make things happen, quality on the ball when he gets it. Exciting player who I imagine will only get better with more games. Lacks a bit of composure but he’s young.
Disappointed not to see Riis. I think when Evans got tired he should have come on.
Lindsay steady enough on his debut.
Wasn’t convinced with AN’s substitutions personnel wise and think Gordon came off too early.
I know we got beat but I don’t feel as annoyed as other defeats where we were shocking for 90 mins, Micky rightly points out how many shockers we have been subjected too. If we can play with that tempo, desire and positivity for the rest of the season we will only get better as they all gel however one swallow doe not make a summer.
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Post by SLC on Feb 6, 2021 18:05:58 GMT
Good post as always Chris, well balanced view 👍
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Feb 6, 2021 18:09:15 GMT
My sentiments exactly, looks like px6 saw it the same way as well.
Ordinarily losing ruins my Sat nights but I can take that today because there were more positives than negatives.
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Feb 6, 2021 18:19:28 GMT
I'm honestly finding it hard at the moment I gave in supporting Neil after Wednesday. Admittedly, I didn't watch today, I was going to ,but after Wednesday game I couldn't be arsed. I'm sick of watching paint dry. What's bothered me today is we go into one of our biggest games of the season on Friday knowing we lost to 2 of the bottom 3 sides. Perhaps as games go on we will improve, however, when learo was playing , Fisher, Davies, it was the same. Blackburn are a hood side and have goals I them I can only see the floodgates opening next week for Armstrong against out lads. Then Watford. You just feel you need to beat Rotherham at home. 1 win in 7 BTW and I think before that it was 1 win in 6. The potential is there, but this manager seems to leave it at home , especially when we know we've seen them play so well under Neil guidance. I was a massive fan of Neil in his first few years but this last year has been awful. What about the high press? We were so good at that to a point sky made a stat about how only city high pressed better than pne. Whats happened there? The manager, he's changed it. Changed it for the worse. Go back to your basics Alex and stop over thinking it.
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Feb 6, 2021 18:20:23 GMT
I'll just leave this here
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Post by BroughtonWhite on Feb 6, 2021 18:46:36 GMT
I'll just leave this here ....I’m probably being annoying, but apart from Bristol City we’ve also won more than any team outside the top 6. Agree with a lot of the points above, I don’t know why we’ve stopped the high press - that was what made us exciting and competitive - maybe we’ve had to because of concerns over a poor back 4 and no Pearson to clear up in front of them. Im okay with the results this season because I’ve largely written it off as another part of a pretty miserable year. I still have faith in AN, but it’s clear to see he’s losing support by the week.
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Post by px6 on Feb 6, 2021 18:52:54 GMT
Not a bad performance. We just need to stop giving away soft goals. Thought Gordon & Evans looked useful. Whiteman going to be a great player. Both fullbacks are useless. Such a massive part of today’s game and we have two that wouldn’t get in another championship team. I don't understand why we are paying cunnigham 9k a week and he didn't start. I said when we signed whiteman and watched his passing last week against owls that he's going to be a good one, good to hear he did well today . He’s played 9 games in two seasons. Give it some time.
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Feb 6, 2021 18:53:43 GMT
I'll just leave this here ....I’m probably being annoying, but apart from Bristol City we’ve also won more than any team outside the top 6. Agree with a lot of the points above, I don’t know why we’ve stopped the high press - that was what made us exciting and competitive - maybe we’ve had to because of concerns over a poor back 4 and no Pearson to clear up in front of them. Im okay with the results this season because I’ve largely written it off as another part of a pretty miserable year. I still have faith in AN, but it’s clear to see he’s losing support by the week. Not annoying at all. Its counter attacking my negative rants. Its healthy and its a forum, it what its about. Unless you're debating with daws then you're just always wrong. AN tenure started great , looked great , we were great, now we are just the complete opposite. Its frustrating to watch. I'm quite passionate when it comes to pne and their game, last time I felt as frustrated as this, Westley was manager. Now we should be careful what we wish for as of course we are in such a better position now than back then, but I feel with these players , it could be better. Something doesn't sit right. Again, back to basics please Alex.
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chris1987
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Post by chris1987 on Feb 6, 2021 19:07:24 GMT
The fall out should we get hammered by the plastics on Friday will be off the scale. I’ve wanted to see the back of AN for quite some time for various different reasons but today was a performance I feel positive about and if it’s a sign of things to come then I can mute my dislike for AN and hopefully we can turn the corner. We can beat Rovers, they are not the formidable force we all thought they might be early this season. Watford are struggling. I watched them today and Coventry were by far the better side. Watford for all their good players looked very average. We can beat them too on their current form. Although it looks highly unlikely that we could reach the play offs it’s not mathematically out of the question if we can get these lads to gel. Defensively we look weak, Fisher and Davies are big losses. We might not miss Fisher too much if we had found a quality replacement but Rafferty can not be described as that on current form. Either way it doesn’t concern me if AN was to be potted. If he goes then great but if he succeeds then even better. Make no mistake there will be loads of quality applicants wanting his position.
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Phantom Winger
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Post by Phantom Winger on Feb 6, 2021 19:25:05 GMT
I honestly think AN sees Browne as first choice right back / wing back.
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Feb 6, 2021 19:26:49 GMT
Too many opinions to catch up on. I thought it was a decent game and a really positive performance from us. Impressed by Evans, Whiteman and Gordon. Defensive frailties an obvious concern. Too many new players may have caused that?
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stevecat
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Post by stevecat on Feb 6, 2021 19:55:35 GMT
I think we should take a gamble like we did with Moysey. Replace Neil with Gally until the end of the season. I would hope we have enough to stay up and we have some decent players in this squad. How can Sinclair not start? He is the only player who is composed in front of goal. He might not do a lot during the game but you need players like Sinclair to win games. I lost faith in Neil a long time ago and now is the perfect time to give Gally a go.
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Post by Mooney on Feb 6, 2021 19:59:39 GMT
Taken a couple of hours before posting... Mickypne love your passion and share your frustration. That said, I agree with dawsonsjs that today we were quite good considering that: Davies has gone, Fisher has gone and the replacement for Davi hasn’t played for a year and, due to Browne being injured, Rafferty played. Weirdly I thought apart from costing us two goals, Rafferty had a decent game. Passing was good, he got forward and won some very important tackles. Whiteman had his best game yet and I seriously rate Molumby. Watched Watford today. They were crap, we can get something there and next Friday against the chicken boys, anything could happen. My take is that playing as few new players as possible would have been my choice, but the Browne injury really hampered us. Gordon, for all his class, gave the ball away a few times in silly areas and with hindsight, Scott Sinclair should have started. Keep posting everyone, keep it passionate, but please try to avoid any personal digs at the same time. Let’s stick together, tough times in the world overall and we all want the same thing.
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Post by nelson on Feb 6, 2021 20:07:57 GMT
I think we should take a gamble like we did with Moysey. Replace Neil with Gally until the end of the season. I would hope we have enough to stay up and we have some decent players in this squad. How can Sinclair not start? He is the only player who is composed in front of goal. He might not do a lot during the game but you need players like Sinclair to win games. I lost faith in Neil a long time ago and now is the perfect time to give Gally a go. You must be gutted Ste! Not often you post on here mate
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Post by walburghian on Feb 6, 2021 20:18:29 GMT
I'll just leave this here ....I’m probably being annoying, but apart from Bristol City we’ve also won more than any team outside the top 6. Agree with a lot of the points above, I don’t know why we’ve stopped the high press - that was what made us exciting and competitive - maybe we’ve had to because of concerns over a poor back 4 and no Pearson to clear up in front of them. Im okay with the results this season because I’ve largely written it off as another part of a pretty miserable year. I still have faith in AN, but it’s clear to see he’s losing support by the week. Not wishing to fall out with you but I have no confidence in a Manager that allows his Team to play the way they are playing currently. Successfully move the ball backwards from their Penalty area to our Goallie, lump it forwards and lose possession - might as well have lost it trying to make a Killer pass. Always pass to a stationery player, not into space.Can't see/mark players in our own Box and everyone follows the same ball/man. Its schoolboy football. Does the Manager not recognise this and , if so, what is he doing about it? Don't believe he had any part of Fisher going and that has left us exposed. At the end of today's match, he was trying to play 5 at the back with Barky as RWB. Not his fault to my mind.
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Feb 6, 2021 20:19:49 GMT
Taken a couple of hours before posting... Mickypne love your passion and share your frustration. That said, I agree with dawsonsjs that today we were quite good considering that: Davies has gone, Fisher has gone and the replacement for Davi hasn’t played for a year and, due to Browne being injured, Rafferty played. Weirdly I thought apart from costing us two goals, Rafferty had a decent game. Passing was good, he got forward and won some very important tackles. Whiteman had his best game yet and I seriously rate Molumby. Watched Watford today. They were crap, we can get something there and next Friday against the chicken boys, anything could happen. My take is that playing as few new players as possible would have been my choice, but the Browne injury really hampered us. Gordon, for all his class, gave the ball away a few times in silly areas and with hindsight, Scott Sinclair should have started. Keep posting everyone, keep it passionate, but please try to avoid any personal digs at the same time. Let’s stick together, tough times in the world overall and we all want the same thing. Thanks mooney. Feel like I've lost my excretion today. Fed up of inept performances and of course today it seems like it wasn't inept, but it wasn't effective either. It was Rotherham, not Norwich. Play like that and lose to Norwich, we go again, but its a bottom 3 side. I also get sick and tired of a certain poster constantly looking down on other opinions. The sky is blue "you're wrong" type poster. I find daws a rude obnoxious poster whos very judgemental . Sits on a perch like sadam hussein and the rest are below him. Its good to read posters saying how we played really well but ill reiterate , it was Rotherham, not Norwich. Ironically , the last time I saw us play well was against Norwich at Deepdale I was in the finney and thought what a decent side we have. We won 3 1 I think. Whats changed since? That Norwich side was better than what it is now and they're top.
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