dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jan 2, 2021 17:05:09 GMT
Normal service resumed.
Liability Fisher strikes again.
Poor game management from AN.
What did I say at half-time Nelson?...no way were we going to score with just Maguire at the front (and 0-1).
Subs made far too late to have any impact.
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Post by Mooney on Jan 2, 2021 17:06:28 GMT
We should have won that Move on to the next game Exactly this... width of a bar away and a 50/50 penalty. That’s life, get yourselves a beer and enjoy the evening. Played ok second half I thought.
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jan 2, 2021 17:08:02 GMT
No way you could fault the ref for that outcome..def. pen and as they said on the commentary, they even had to slow down the replay to see any double touch from Grabban.
We lost because we didn't put the ball in the net even though we had sufficient chances, and we lost because Fisher is in the wrong sport. He'd have a gold medal as a high board diver.
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Post by px6 on Jan 2, 2021 17:08:16 GMT
It would take a brave ref to blow on the penalty. Almost impossible to see with the naked eye. Plus the refs probably watching encroachment into the box. I was about to say yes good point. But my 12 year old lad just said why isn't the linesman watching the keeper and the ref the ball. Fair point imo. I watch kids football every week and have a massive respect for referees. This one imo is a terrible call from the ref. Defo a pen but goal shouldn't stand. I’ve done my share of reffing doing 5, 6 and 7 a side and it’s a tough job. I’ve even reffed today’s co-commentator on a 6 a side game and he’s as bad as anyone for giving the ref an ear full! The nicest people turn into absolute sods on the pitch. Game we should of got something out of. But that’s this league for you, mini break now until the next championship game. We’re never making the top 6.
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Jan 2, 2021 17:13:30 GMT
No way you could fault the ref for that outcome..def. pen and as they said on the commentary, they even had to slow down the replay to see any double touch from Grabban. We lost because we didn't put the ball in the net even though we had sufficient chances, and we lost because Fisher is in the wrong sport. He'd have a gold medal as a high board diver. You really do have a grudge against pne best right back since Billy Jones. Yes it was stupid but with you get rough with the smooth. Get him on a contract now. He's a quality player. What does pass me off is Alex Neil sometimes. To me, riis has minerals. What is he say on the bloody bench? As much as I like maguire., riis is better and the way we play riis has to start. So forget blaming your scapegoat fisher and look at the manager today.
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Jan 2, 2021 17:17:07 GMT
I was about to say yes good point. But my 12 year old lad just said why isn't the linesman watching the keeper and the ref the ball. Fair point imo. I watch kids football every week and have a massive respect for referees. This one imo is a terrible call from the ref. Defo a pen but goal shouldn't stand. I’ve done my share of reffing doing 5, 6 and 7 a side and it’s a tough job. I’ve even reffed today’s co-commentator on a 6 a side game and he’s as bad as anyone for giving the ref an ear full! The nicest people turn into absolute sods on the pitch. Game we should of got something out of. But that’s this league for you, mini break now until the next championship game. We’re never making the top 6. Wonder if youe reffed me at one point. I'm a nice guy but as a short arse centre back I was gobby . However I only got sent off once , I think refs liked me 🤣🤣. Being a 5ft 10 centre back you need two things. A decent brain and a loud gob 😅
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Post by ginagee on Jan 2, 2021 17:26:45 GMT
Played fab 2nd half, no points, Hey Ho ...... Bigger tragedy's in this world at this moment in time .... No pub to go to ...may just open a bottle of red to commiserate
Stay Safe one and all xx 🙏
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Post by ginagee on Jan 2, 2021 17:27:36 GMT
Normal service resumed. Liability Fisher strikes again. Poor game management from AN. What did I say at half-time Nelson?...no way were we going to score with just Maguire at the front (and 0-1). Subs made far too late to have any impact. You said at HT Bovril not as good as at Deepdale 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by walburghian on Jan 2, 2021 17:28:02 GMT
Despite the fact that Forest have good players, they did not have 1 shot for Rudd to save. They are desperately short of confidence but we need 2 Strikers at Home. First half was boring and a complete waste. Have to say that I expected DJ to be subbed but he played well in 2nd half and probably the best player on the pitch. We had sufficient chances to win and should have
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chris1987
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Post by chris1987 on Jan 2, 2021 17:32:37 GMT
I think we should have won that, we created and missed enough opportunities.👍
I still have some of the same reservations and frustrations with AN after today’s game. I think Riis definitely needed to play more minutes being one of them. The rest I will stay quiet about as I again I believe we did enough to win, it wasn’t a poor performance, we had a go 🤷♂️
Silly pen to give away by a player I am not a huge fan of but recognise he has his strengths. No issues with the way the pen went it.
On to the next one.
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jan 2, 2021 17:42:12 GMT
I don't like Fisher Micky because he is totally unreliable...you just don't know what he is going to do next. He is too often more concerned with throwing himself around than concentrating on the game. He also unneccessarily winds up the opposition and refs.
The game was there for the taking today but Walb is right..there was a complete lack of attacking intent in the first half.
Bright spot for me was Bayliss....I don't expect someone making their full debut to dominate the game but he won the ball a fair few times and, wonderfully, passed it forward to a team mate. Thought Ledson also had a decent game. Again you have to give credit to Maguire up there on his own...but what on earth is he supposed to do against two competent if uninspiring cbs?
I don't think anybody actually had a bad game...it's just that the formation, speed of forward play and sufficient strikers in the box were never good enough.
The Forest lb was useless ...we should also have had Barkh taking him om but never did.
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Post by Mickypne on Jan 2, 2021 17:57:32 GMT
So I've just seen the replay in real slow mo. I have to take everything back I've said. No chance ref can see that. Apologies to the ref from me lol. Goal shouldn't have stood but oy vat rules that out
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jan 2, 2021 19:30:16 GMT
I thought we deserved something from the game.
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jan 2, 2021 20:16:50 GMT
AN "The difficulty with Darnell is it's like the boy who cried wolf. He goes down that easily at times, referees now choose not to give him decisions. He needs to focus on that."
Sounds like he's not too happy with him.
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Post by Mickypne on Jan 2, 2021 20:18:35 GMT
I don't like Fisher Micky because he is totally unreliable...you just don't know what he is going to do next. He is too often more concerned with throwing himself around than concentrating on the game. He also unneccessarily winds up the opposition and refs. The game was there for the taking today but Walb is right..there was a complete lack of attacking intent in the first half. Bright spot for me was Bayliss....I don't expect someone making their full debut to dominate the game but he won the ball a fair few times and, wonderfully, passed it forward to a team mate. Thought Ledson also had a decent game. Again you have to give credit to Maguire up there on his own...but what on earth is he supposed to do against two competent if uninspiring cbs? I don't think anybody actually had a bad game...it's just that the formation, speed of forward play and sufficient strikers in the box were never good enough. The Forest lb was useless ...we should also have had Barkh taking him om but never did. He's a free agent daws. If cut out his behaviour he wouldn't be the same player and also he'd be worth 3 million. He's a top player. You won't see many better right backs in the champ
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Post by northender on Jan 3, 2021 1:42:45 GMT
Good second half performance but very disappointing result.
Certainly didn't deserve to lose the game but with our finishing we can't say we deserved the win either.
I like a lot of what Maguire offers but in games but all of his goals this season have come from set pieces. Not having a striker who can get a goal from open play when we are putting the opposition under sustained pressure holds us back. Riis may be work in progress but I think Neil needs to give him more starts.
Good to see Bayliss finally start a game. We need him on the pitch more now and developing.
Very very simple if you're the officials at a penalty. You have one kick of the ball to watch. And they have got it wrong.
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jan 3, 2021 8:12:36 GMT
Like px6 northender I've done a lot of refereeing...it is impossible to watch that the keeper stays on his line and the penalty taker at the same time. Linesman can be watching the keeper but he also needs to noting exactly when the pen is taken. As all the commentators have said the only way that double kick could have been seen is by watching repeated slow downed videos. I don't think you can fault the officials for that.
However what became clear watching Quest last night is that Grabban had a hand in Fisher's back....the matter to which AN was alluding. Trouble is with Fisher is that you don't know if it was just a hand or a push seeing as every time he gets touched he goes sprawling.
He is far from being one of the best rbs in the Champ for me...I'd place at least Nyambe, Byrne, Femenia, Daalasgaard, Smith (Bournemouth) as being far better footballers, indeed half the rbs in the Champ and it is impossible to think of one whom is less reliable. The only reason he is in the North End team is because there isn't anyone else available who is better.
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Post by nelson on Jan 3, 2021 10:42:48 GMT
Normal service resumed. Liability Fisher strikes again. Poor game management from AN. What did I say at half-time Nelson?...no way were we going to score with just Maguire at the front (and 0-1).Subs made far too late to have any impact. Typical “I know more than you” comment, we started the 2nd half strongly and only a great save and a shot against the woodwork prevented us taking the lead. If ether of those had gone in we could well have won the game 1-0 which would have vindicated AN’s tactics. Ifs and maybes but we weren’t that far away. You’re just more interested in oneupmanship as usual.
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Jan 3, 2021 10:47:16 GMT
Didn’t deserve to loose following the second half performance but you’ve got to stick the ball in the net. Fisher just can’t leave his hand out there with the new handball rule, he’s tried to get away with one but why risk it in a game that we didn’t really look like conceding. Got to deal with that run into the box better though in the first place.
Thought DJ was MOTM, involved in everything in an attacking sense and Ledson and bayliss sound at the base.
2 CBs are needed ASAP while we have a couple of clear weeks if BD is off this window. A new partnership needs to be formed and that won’t be ideal when the games pick up again. We all know we don’t move quickly in the window though, especially when trying to bring quality in.
Such an important window coming up. DJ looked bang up for it yesterday but I’m sure the club will be trying to cash in on the players unlikely to sign up. Ideally we move quickly and try and get somebody like Ben Whiteman and at least 1 CB in before the Bristol City game.
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Post by SLC on Jan 3, 2021 11:20:04 GMT
It's a goal scorer we need, the dross we have just aren't good enough for this league
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jan 3, 2021 11:41:55 GMT
New rb, cb, winger and goalscorer all required although it doesn't matter how many forwards you sign if you are only going to play one at the front at home.
In reality |I don't see more than one or two coming in...and when did we last sign quality in a wimter window?
Other issue is how to get rid of the mediocrity that has been accumulating?
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Jan 3, 2021 12:14:52 GMT
New rb, cb, winger and goalscorer all required although it doesn't matter how many forwards you sign if you are only going to play one at the front at home. In reality |I don't see more than one or two coming in...and when did we last sign quality in a wimter window? Other issue is how to get rid of the mediocrity that has been accumulating? Sounds like Harrop could be off out on loan and Bauer will be out of the 25 man squad so there’s 2 potential spaces. I guess you’re mainly on about wages but I think we’re just going to have to take a 6 month hit on Moult and Bodin and bomb them out of the squad unless we can get a contribution from Scotland/ league 1 to make further room. Maybe a loan out for storey too if we can get a couple of CBs in. I’d like to see us try and put Rafferty into a deal for a new RB, kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Young RB at Hull sounds a prospect. The horrible rumour of Ched Evans won’t go away will Nixon reporting today that we are set to win the race. I hope this is incorrect. If we’re in for a striker I’d rather look at somebody in similar mould to Davis from villa on loan. Also guessing we are going to try and offload 1 or 2 of the ‘big 4’ to help subsidise a squad freshen up. I’m expecting 3/4 through the door, just hope they are of decent quality.
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jan 3, 2021 12:55:22 GMT
Evans?
Tough one.
What he did was contemptible although one has to accept the appeal ruling that he wasn't guilty of a crime...from that perspective it makes it tragic that he should spend so long in prison. However this leaves it feeling more like a case of karma than tragedy and there's a counter case that everyone deserves a second chance.
As a footballer and goal scorer there is no doubt thst he has ability.
But stepping up to the Champ at his age and would he be welcomed anyway?
Surely we can do better? ---
As for the others it makes sense for Harrop to go on loan, Moult to try his luck elsewhere (and good luck to him, good man who has been unfortunate). Suspect there's be a queue of L1 clubs in for Bodin but wages may be an issue.
Storey also needs a loan but I can't see the club releasing him at the present time.
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Post by deepdaleoldun on Jan 3, 2021 14:16:40 GMT
Moult in my opinion gets some unjustified stick on here was not in AN,S plans early on only used as sub but in my opinion always looked better than what he replaced then just when he started to justify his place he got this bad injury if I thought he could come back fully fit would still prefer him to Stockley who in my opinion is not looking like championship standard at the moment
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Post by walburghian on Jan 3, 2021 15:04:31 GMT
Moult in my opinion gets some unjustified stick on here was not in AN,S plans early on only used as sub but in my opinion always looked better than what he replaced then just when he started to justify his place he got this bad injury if I thought he could come back fully fit would still prefer him to Stockley who in my opinion is not looking like championship standard at the moment Totally agree, but I do not know the state of Moult after his injury. In the past, it was career-ending, so it would be advisable to get rid. We have paid his wages for 15months so we have supported him during this time. Sadly, time to say goodbye, and thank you for playing for us.
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Post by nelson on Jan 3, 2021 15:27:23 GMT
New rb, cb, winger and goalscorer all required although it doesn't matter how many forwards you sign if you are only going to play one at the front at home. In reality |I don't see more than one or two coming in...and when did we last sign quality in a wimter window? Other issue is how to get rid of the mediocrity that has been accumulating? Thats the big problem, we rarely sign players who will automatically go into the first 11 Ched Evans? I hope we could do better and I also don’t think we create enough clear cut chances to warrant another frontman especially when we only play one up top
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Post by chris1987 on Jan 3, 2021 15:29:22 GMT
New rb, cb, winger and goalscorer all required although it doesn't matter how many forwards you sign if you are only going to play one at the front at home. In reality |I don't see more than one or two coming in...and when did we last sign quality in a wimter window? Other issue is how to get rid of the mediocrity that has been accumulating? Thats the big problem, we rarely sign players who will automatically go into the first 11 Ched Evans? I hope we could do better and I also don’t think we create enough clear cut chances to warrant another frontman especially when we only play one up top A striker isn’t the issue Nelly I fully agree with your reasoning. 👍
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Post by SLC on Jan 3, 2021 16:07:28 GMT
A striker is a must for me, like I said earlier, to replace the dross
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Post by SLC on Jan 3, 2021 16:08:41 GMT
New rb, cb, winger and goalscorer all required although it doesn't matter how many forwards you sign if you are only going to play one at the front at home. In reality |I don't see more than one or two coming in...and when did we last sign quality in a wimter window? Other issue is how to get rid of the mediocrity that has been accumulating? Thats the big problem, we rarely sign players who will automatically go into the first 11 Ched Evans? I hope we could do better and I also don’t think we create enough clear cut chances to warrant another frontman especially when we only play one up top I agree with Dawson here
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Post by ProudPreston29 on Jan 3, 2021 16:20:36 GMT
its trending in the UK 
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