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Post by ginagee on Dec 29, 2020 22:03:47 GMT
Possession counts for sweet FA, what does matter is the final result ..... 3 games, 9 points, no concedes ...... what a cracking end to an absolutely CARP year
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Post by nelson on Dec 29, 2020 22:05:00 GMT
Stats mean jack buddy It's what goes in that onion bag that counts How do you know, you don’t read stats 
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Post by nelson on Dec 29, 2020 22:05:49 GMT
Possession counts for sweet FA, what does matter is the final result ..... 3 games, 9 points, no concedes ...... what a cracking end to an absolutely CARP year I need to revise my Christmas points total to 6 rather than 4 
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Post by ginagee on Dec 29, 2020 22:06:59 GMT
Possession counts for sweet FA, what does matter is the final result ..... 3 games, 9 points, no concedes ...... what a cracking end to an absolutely CARP year I need to revise my Christmas points total to 6 rather than 4  Grow a pair I predicted 9 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by dawsonsjs on Dec 29, 2020 22:07:02 GMT
It's not just a q of what we changed Nelson but what Coventry changed..they ran the show in the first half with Hamer and O'Hare outplaying Browne and Gallagher, not to mention Dabo with his beating of Earl.
After the second goal I thought Coventry's heads dropped a bit..Browne went off after about 10 mins and then Gallagher a bit later. Coventry stopped trying to play through the middle and even went long to the big guy they brought on or tried to get Dabo away down the right. With Potts and Ledson in midfield we looked a lot better and began to control things...but as I say I think this was at least as much down to Coventry changing their approach albeit Ledson and Potts were a big improvement on Browne and Gally.
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Post by dawsonsjs on Dec 29, 2020 22:08:34 GMT
If there was ever a statement of the obvious that's it.
Still doesn't stop the scoreline flattering us.
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Post by SLC on Dec 29, 2020 22:11:13 GMT
Enjoy the win
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Post by pne1971 on Dec 29, 2020 22:12:20 GMT
AN’s a genius and obviously knows more about football than Daws!!! 😳 😉
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Post by MightyPNE on Dec 29, 2020 22:18:14 GMT
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Post by nelson on Dec 29, 2020 22:20:02 GMT
You said we gained control after replacing Browne and Gallagher, thats what I disagreed with as we were more in control right from the start of the 2nd half. Dabo was actually heavily involved in the first half, read back on this thread from half time and you’ll see that it was stated that Dabo was all over Earl. Like SLC says, enjoy the win and stop over analysing and trying to prove a point.
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Post by FinneyFan on Dec 29, 2020 22:21:29 GMT
A win is a win for sure BUT, we were awful first half, midfield non existent. Two scrappy goals flatter us but once the second went in and we both made changes we looked much more comfortable. Onwards and upwards, playing below par but winning COYW
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Post by walburghian on Dec 29, 2020 22:56:01 GMT
I think the result flatters us. Coventry 58% possession v 42%, 10 shots on goal v 7, and 8 corners v 3. As I said pre-match we are building momentum..and I note that yet again we have not conceded with Hunts in the team. I'm not lkidding myuself though about the quality thouigh...albeit given the number of games it's probably unrealistic to expect more. Totally agree, for a change Daws. HUnts is very capable but short of Pace - not surprising given his age. I am happy for him to play in a back 3 , because the others can cover for his lack of pace. I think we should be playing this system more often, not just because the Opposition play that way.Browne is a disgrace at the moment and wants a good talking to. He's playing like the Park players he referred to last week. No discipline and making really serious mistakes/decisions. If he is a Captain in waiting then AN needs his head examining - no understanding, no aggression, nocommitment to PNE. Let him go
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Post by Mooney on Dec 29, 2020 23:09:18 GMT
We got control of the midfield in the second half only because Browne and Gallagher went off. . Not true...a lot of opinions but usually grounded in facts. At the outset of the second half, DJ joined the midfield rather than being stuck at the top end of the pitch. AN changed the formation slightly, so we were 352 instead of 343... This meant that their diamond could not pass round our midfield as they had in the first half as we covered the width of the pitch with DJ, Gally and Browne as a flat 3. In truth from the whistle in the second half we had more control. This improved more when Potts came on for Browne on the right of the three, but Gallagher had started to control possession before going off. I’ll grant you that Browne was poor but think that the way Coventry set up, high press, overload midfield areas led to the half time changes. Another fact here. 9 points in 3 games. No goals conceded. Can we stop moaning now please?
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Post by Mooney on Dec 29, 2020 23:10:57 GMT
You said we gained control after replacing Browne and Gallagher, thats what I disagreed with as we were more in control right from the start of the 2nd half. You are 100% correct Nelson. Half time change of DJ position made the difference.
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Post by Mooney on Dec 29, 2020 23:11:47 GMT
Here’s another fact. Hunts has played 11 games this season. In 7 of them we have kept a clean sheet. #justsaying
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Mickypne
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Post by Mickypne on Dec 29, 2020 23:37:38 GMT
The one thing I like apart from 3 wins on the bounce is we haven't hit form yet.
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superiorno1pne
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Post by superiorno1pne on Dec 29, 2020 23:40:57 GMT
Did not see it but listened to Radio Lancs it seemed we were scrappy and they deserved something. OBVIOUSLY delighted but not over excited pleased for Maguire but good sides, as they have done this season will run all over us. Time to move on.
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Post by northender on Dec 30, 2020 1:14:24 GMT
Was some very, very poor PNE individual performances in the first half. Bit fortunate to get to half time at 1-0 but for all their nice play Coventry lacked quality, so don't think they really deserved to score.
After the 2nd goal we saw it out fairly easily, don't think Coventry saw a way back into the game. They look like a team trying to do all the right things but still adapting to the division.
All in all a good Xmas period for the club so far with maximum points and no goals conceded. Takes the pressure off a bit for the Forest game, hopefully we can play with a bit more confidence and really get at them because they are struggling.
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Post by pnepeej on Dec 30, 2020 8:27:31 GMT
Was some very, very poor PNE individual performances in the first half. Bit fortunate to get to half time at 1-0 but for all their nice play Coventry lacked quality, so don't think they really deserved to score. After the 2nd goal we saw it out fairly easily, don't think Coventry saw a way back into the game. They look like a team trying to do all the right things but still adapting to the division. All in all a good Xmas period for the club so far with maximum points and no goals conceded. Takes the pressure off a bit for the Forest game, hopefully we can play with a bit more confidence and really get at them because they are struggling. Yeah I thought Coventry's performance was very reminiscent of some of ours this season. Neat and tidy until the final third where they never created any chances or ever really looked like scoring. A couple of shots from distance that Rudd was comfortable with is all I can remember. And the back 3 looked comfortable with the crosses. Seemed to me that our plan was to let them play and nick it high when the chance was there. Which we did well at times. Their mistake for the first goal was good play by us as well
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Post by chris1987 on Dec 30, 2020 10:06:16 GMT
Great result👍 3 on the trot, hope we can keep this up even if the football on display is terrible.
First half apart from the goal was a tough watch. Midfield Non existent. Tbf to Coventry they weren't a bad side but they do lack a cutting edge. I think we could still be playing now and Coventry wouldn’t have scored.
Start of second we upped the tempo and intensity, looked far better and rewarded with a second.
Hunts excellent again. No frills, no nonsense. 3 games 3 clean sheets.👏
Barks again showing his worth. Especially impressed when having to move position. Created one for Potts and looked after Dabo very well after the torrid time he had given Earl.
Chuffed for Maguire, his work rate, ball retention and link up play recently has been deserving of a goal. I’ve not been his biggest fan in the past.
Think Fisher played well also. Up and down the pitch well.
Browne is having a tough time at the moment, his passing last night was the worst I’ve seen. A rest and recharge in order and go again.
On to the next one 👍
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Dec 30, 2020 10:58:57 GMT
Hopefully Potts & Ledo are fit enough to replace Browne & Gally on Saturday, they absolutely bossed that midfield 1st half. Not sure if Dabo is brilliant or Earl really struggled in that role. Thought hunts was lucky there was no VAR for the pull back on their man man when he went to chase the over hit ball in the 1st half, other than that he had a decent game.
Agree I thought Fisher had a good game, Maguire busy and Potts added much needed energy into midfield when he came on. Coventry are very nice on the eye but clearly missed some champ experience. Neil summed it up nicely on radio Rovers, they dictated the game 1st half but never really felt like we were going to loose.
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Post by PNE From Afar on Dec 30, 2020 12:34:00 GMT
Enjoy!
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Post by dawsonsjs on Dec 30, 2020 13:25:41 GMT
I'll take 3 points any day but I am not fooling myself over the quality of our play. Take Maguire for instance,,,he had a good game last night and one thing you can never criticise him for is a lack of effort. But he is a forward who can not take on anybody and beat them on the deck and doesn't get enough goals.
The speed at which we play the game is seriously pedantic..only Barkhuizen has any real pace and he can't control or pass a ball. On top of which even though we are currently winning games we rarely string more thasn 3 or 4 passes together. It made an enormous difference to the midfield last night when Ledson and Potts started injecting some energy into the midfield.
We've had strokes of fortune in the last two games, sending off at Derby and then the ref missing a foul on Sibley in the 96th minute (had he given it we would not have had time to score) and last night Coventry shooting themselves with poor defending.
There is no fluency or quality to our play.
I readily accept that the sheer number of games and constant enforced team changes makes it difficult to establish any convincing continuity but as long as we continue to play one at the front in home games and AN shows more concern with what the other side can do to you than what you can do to them then I am inclined to think the entertainment value will continue to be low.
These are strange times....the fact that nobody is running away with the division appears to reflect the lack of real quality in the Champ this season.
It means that despite the evident limitations there is the prospect of pressing on....which means beating the teams around us and above us at home in the Champ....and apart from Boro we have yet to do that.
January promises to be avery interesting month...6 matches and not one you could describe as potentially a really tough one. On paper every game is winnable.
AN has some serious decsions to make regarding the team selections especially if Pearson is fit.
Browne has been poor for too long, despite his goals. Earl's limitations defending were cruelly exposed by Dabo last night. Hunts has proven more than worth his place.
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Post by superiorno1pne on Dec 30, 2020 14:09:59 GMT
Agree with most of your points Dawson though enough have said it Hunts nearly gave a goal away and, again they had no one who could score. He will be exploited to our detriment as soon as he is up against a bit of quality. Barky never got a mention on the radio.he cant trap a bag of cement. Just for balance Browney to which I am a massive fan has not kicked on this season and at times he has gone backwards. Maguire I do feel for him he is isolated so many times. Earl not played in a long time so he wont get it right all the time I like him though. I really think that the instruction from on high to Neil is too stay in this league everything else is a bonus long term I think the idea is for Hemmings to sell hence purchase of training ground debt free etc. If not I can only see us repeating the same scenario time and time again.
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Post by dawsonsjs on Dec 30, 2020 15:37:18 GMT
I dare say you are right re Hunts Sup...soon as we come up against a side with pace at the front and willing to take Hunts on, but as such a description doesn't apply to most Champ sides I don't think there's too much to worry about.
Problem with Barkhuizen last night is that when he was at the front in the first half our midfield was so woeful and being outplayed that the ball hardly ever reached him. However he did an excellent job when asked to take over from Earl as a wb. It appeared that AN had picked Earl at wb , in front of Hughes, to stop Dabo (looked a very useful winger). Unfortunately Earl was repeatedly skinned and you began to need an abacus to count the crosses Dabo put in. Earl never got tight enough. First thing Barky did was get tight , get his positioning right and stop Dabo. The only cross Dabo got in subsequent to Barky dropping back was before taking him on, from too deep an angle to cause a problem.
In view of the fact that we can't compete with the clubs with Prem money I also suspect the prime issue is one of staying on this div.
In the circumstance I hope that AN changes his approach to Cup competitions when we are at Wycombe. More than time he took such matches seriously and put out his best side to win.
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Post by nelson on Dec 30, 2020 15:55:20 GMT
Earl will learn from last night, I’m totally convinced that he’ll not play at a lower level than the championship for several more years and could potentially move up a level.
He struggled with the guys speed last night but will learn from that, he is lacking experience at this level which is down to injuries and time spent away on loan. Earl looks every bit as good as Davies was at the same age and they have similarities in that both have played left back, I also fully expect Earl to play regularly at centre back in the next few years.
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Post by Mooney on Dec 30, 2020 17:55:22 GMT
Earl will learn from last night, I’m totally convinced that he’ll not play at a lower level than the championship for several more years and could potentially move up a level. He struggled with the guys speed last night but will learn from that, he is lacking experience at this level which is down to injuries and time spent away on loan. Earl looks every bit as good as Davies was at the same age and they have similarities in that both have played left back, I also fully expect Earl to play regularly at centre back in the next few years. I agree, said that to my lad last night. You only really learn after a tough day at the office. Dabo had one trick, pace and run on the outside. Josh couldn’t get close enough to prevent crosses, Barky however, showed him the inside and he became less effective from the substitution. Impressed with Barky last few games, looks a good player again. Some of his control against Derby was excellent, has really worked on bringing down long passes.
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Post by ginagee on Dec 30, 2020 18:58:56 GMT
Gary Linaker was praising Leeds for being entertaining with 30 goals scored and 30 conceded! We've done the same so we are entertaining. COYW!!!! 
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Post by dawsonsjs on Dec 30, 2020 20:20:08 GMT
Dabo had more than one asset, he knew how to put a cross in...fortunately for us his team mates were not so adept at the front. He did what I want to see in a winger..beat your man and get in a cross. Thought he gave the best winger display at Deepdale for some time....surprisingly it appears that he is considered to be a right back! I wonder if Earl stood off him because he was afraid of being beaten for pace (which he was anyway)?
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Post by walburghian on Dec 31, 2020 20:07:20 GMT
Dabo had more than one asset, he knew how to put a cross in...fortunately for us his team mates were not so adept at the front. He did what I want to see in a winger..beat your man and get in a cross. Thought he gave the best winger display at Deepdale for some time....surprisingly it appears that he is considered to be a right back! I wonder if Earl stood off him because he was afraid of being beaten for pace (which he was anyway)? Good points, but AN obviously sorted it by using Barkhuizen. So he does know what he is doing?
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