pne1971
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Post by pne1971 on Sept 11, 2020 17:33:07 GMT
I personally think we should be measuring cases of hospitalisation rather than positive cases.. and advising those at risk to isolate.
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Sept 11, 2020 17:46:03 GMT
I don't think anybody is denying that the balance is a difficult task px6 but I would maintain that measures to combat other forms of demand on the NHS and other public services are perfectly valid....generally we accept limited measures and indifferent intervention results. I am not saying it's right but that's the way it is. Wouldst the same amount of effort and resources put into other preventative interventions.
If people complain this government has only itself (and advisors)to blame for
- starting out with the nonsense of achieving herd immunity
- failing to follow up, indeed dropping, early tracking measures
- failing to meet testing targets
- saying the care/nursing homes would not be affected
- releasing NHS patients into care homes
- farcical PPE ordering and supply
- failing to enforce lockdown rules (Cummings)
- sending out confusing messages..go to work/stay at home
- failing to enforce rules in general
It has been a saga of incompetence. Now as far as football and other cultural/sporting events are concenrned people are left not knowing if they are coming or going. Policy is being made on the hoof. It is not for the public to come up with better ways of doing things...that is what governments are elected for.
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Post by Mooney on Sept 11, 2020 19:09:50 GMT
I personally think we should be measuring cases of hospitalisation rather than positive cases.. and advising those at risk to isolate. Danger with this approach is that the virus spreads exponentially and we would then it would have a greater foothold. For me... I’m with Daws here. Utterly incompetent and lying PM and Health Sec. Now isn’t the time for retribution but the Enquiry that will follow will show Johnson and the rest of his fool’s interview a very, very dim light. |
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Post by themaclad on Sept 11, 2020 20:06:25 GMT
France, Spain and Italy had very tough lockdowns in France you needed a form to go out, they ended lockdown before us and now have 11,000 new infections on one day this week, lockdown's do not work.
I do my Supermarket shop in Morrison's in Cleveleys they no longer count you in and out it's back to normal as far as that is concerned, from March to July you didn't need a gimp mask now you do so I trog through the supermarket with one on. On the way in the same building on the same floor is the resteraunt no need for masks in there it is ludicrous.
We were told wear a mask to keep infections down and they are now going up, do masks work well, no.
Looks like the Swedish way worked but the likes of Piers Organ etc forced the issue.
According to that dip rubbish Ferguson we may have to take tougher measures this is the man whose model stated 500,000 would peg it in Britain alone.
Thomas Dalby called it right
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Post by Mooney on Sept 11, 2020 22:15:12 GMT
France, Spain and Italy had very tough lockdowns in France you needed a form to go out, they ended lockdown before us and now have 11,000 new infections on one day this week, lockdown's do not work. I do my Supermarket shop in Morrison's in Cleveleys they no longer count you in and out it's back to normal as far as that is concerned, from March to July you didn't need a gimp mask now you do so I trog through the supermarket with one on. On the way in the same building on the same floor is the resteraunt no need for masks in there it is ludicrous. We were told wear a mask to keep infections down and they are now going up, do masks work well, no. Looks like the Swedish way worked but the likes of Piers Organ etc forced the issue. According to that dip rubbish Ferguson we may have to take tougher measures this is the man whose model stated 500,000 would peg it in Britain alone. Thomas Dalby called it right Can’t beat a good 80s reference. I bizarrely met TD in a Holiday Inn in Glasgow back in 1980s... odd. Lockdown. We didn’t really have one. What we had wasn’t called this by BJ for at least 4 weeks and it wasn’t lockdown. It was restrictions. As we both know, Johnson is a libertarian and was reticent to use this language. Unlocking was the hard part... freeing people and unfortunately the ‘Happy Monday’ Daily Fail etc stuff led people into a false sense of security. This was backed up by the Eat out to Help out scheme. At the time I admit I thought was a good idea, but everyone was rammed Monday to Weds and quiet at weekend. I am guessing but think this has played a part. No easy solution now whatsoever but the public need one message above all else. Be careful for flips sake |
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Post by jaiyenyen on Sept 12, 2020 2:38:03 GMT
The reaction to Coronavirus here in Thailand has been strong, strict and lengthy, measures taken since March include
Closure of the borders - still in place
Curfew 9pm to 5am - removed in June
Alcohol ban - removed in June
Closure of all bars, restaurants, night clubs etc - removed August (restaurants reopened in July with strict rules)
Masks to be worn at all times in public - still in place
Body temperature taken when entering shopping malls, stores etc - still in place
Check in by app when entering shopping malls, stores etc - still in place
The list goes on but I wont bore you
The upshot being 1 domestic case of coronavirus in over 3 months. The downside is Thailands economy is in an appalling mess. Here on Samui an island reliant on tourism, the economy harubbish rock bottom. The main holiday town of Chaweng has been decimated, 99% of businesses have gone - many never to reopen. The population of Samui as shrunk by 60% as not only are there no tourists but many Thais who came to Samui to work have returned home to the mainland without a job. The same picture is painted on other areas reliant on tourism including Bangkok.
There is a real balancing act that governments around the world have had to achieve between public safety and the economy. Thailand did a great job of public safety but at what cost, suicides over the last 3 months have risen by 22%
The modern world had never had to manage a pandemic before and figures can be quoted but what we will never know is what would have happened without measures being put in place. In my opinion deaths would have been astronomical.
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Post by walburghian on Sept 12, 2020 11:06:48 GMT
Jaiyen, it depends upon your definition of "managing a Pandemic". We had Hong Kong Flu in 1968 and approximately the same number of people died here. No lockdown, no Social Media "Gloom and Doom", people just got on with their lives - those left of course - and businesses did not suffer the same financial issues, but my recollection is fairly dim. It would be interesting to research the issue.
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Post by walburghian on Sept 12, 2020 11:13:48 GMT
PS. Just checked it out. There were 2 waves with the 2nd more devastating and between 30 & 40k deaths in each. 2nd wave has often been worse than the 1st but whether that is because behaviour becomes lax or the virus strengthens I would not know. I certainly cannot recall large-scale financial issues like we have now.
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Post by jaiyenyen on Sept 12, 2020 13:56:17 GMT
PS. Just checked it out. There were 2 waves with the 2nd more devastating and between 30 & 40k deaths in each. 2nd wave has often been worse than the 1st but whether that is because behaviour becomes lax or the virus strengthens I would not know. I certainly cannot recall large-scale financial issues like we have now. The governments of the world are stuck between the devil and deep blue sea. If they put priority into the population then the economy suffers and vice versa. Most governments put the people first and are suffering financially. Put the economy first (Trump ?) what happens to the health of the nation? As I said we will never know how many deaths there would have been had herd immunity been followed. There are many reasons why you can’t compare HK flu to Covid19 from mass global movement (5bn air passengers 2019 compared to 500m 1968) to the type of virus |
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Sept 13, 2020 7:14:58 GMT
There's a direct correlation between putting health first and economic well being.
The nations that have prioritised health, such as Germany, S Korea, N Zealand, have also fared better economically.
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Post by themaclad on Sept 13, 2020 7:27:14 GMT
Interesting to note non league games are recording better than average gates virtually all getting over three figues
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Post by Mooney on Sept 13, 2020 18:21:10 GMT
Interesting to note non league games are recording better than average gates virtually all getting over three figues A positive! |
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Post by themaclad on Sept 15, 2020 16:11:27 GMT
Rumours abound that Championship and below are green for go on Saturday however areas with restrictions are not Preston being one of them
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Post by themaclad on Sept 15, 2020 16:19:11 GMT
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pne1971
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Post by pne1971 on Sept 16, 2020 8:55:20 GMT
i see the plastics have just released their season tickets in virtually the same manner (tickets about 10% cheaper overall) as north end..although they are offering the 7 midweek away games as part of the deal on ifollow.
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Post by walburghian on Sept 16, 2020 15:39:35 GMT
So North End are playing in front of Spectators at Norwich on Saturday
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Post by Bobby Ham's sarnie on Sept 16, 2020 17:06:03 GMT
1,000. I hope it doesn't overawe them when they run out.
There not used to crowds of that magnitude
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Post by themaclad on Sept 17, 2020 20:44:57 GMT
By the sound of it restrictions coming our way tomorrow expect pubs to be shut early most of Lancashire to go on the naughty step
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