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Post by nextownerofpne on Jul 28, 2020 21:28:18 GMT
I cannot believe anyone would want Hugill back .
TH got lucky, He is not good enough at this level and it will cost millions
The best we got out of him was 10 goals a season .
He may have scored more for QPR this season but that is one off and with Eze. Going he will be in single figures next season .
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Post by Mooney on Jul 28, 2020 22:11:39 GMT
I cannot believe anyone would want Hugill back . TH got lucky, He is not good enough at this level and it will cost millions The best we got out of him was 10 goals a season . He may have scored more for QPR this season but that is one off and with Eze. Going he will be in single figures next season . Can’t believe I’m actually going to reply to this but here goes... 2016-17 13 goals as a lone striker in a negative side. 2017-8 had 9 by Christmas. So who would you buy who has the ability to lead the line, run channels, win physical battles and score 15 a season then? |
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Post by Mooney on Jul 28, 2020 22:15:46 GMT
Flipping heck one or two owe us a refund. It’s made up guesswork. At best... Someone has taken the overall wage bill and done a rough calculation. I’ve been told that SS ‘does not break’ the unofficial cap. When I asked how much that was... and trust me, it would be someone who knows. He just said ‘10’. My guess is that Pearl, DJ, Gally and SS are all on that, and probably Rudd too, but SS has massive incentives to add. |
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Post by thefutureisbrown on Jul 29, 2020 0:13:47 GMT
I cannot believe anyone would want Hugill back . TH got lucky, He is not good enough at this level and it will cost millions The best we got out of him was 10 goals a season . He may have scored more for QPR this season but that is one off and with Eze. Going he will be in single figures next season . In what world is he not good enough for this level? As Mooney already said, we got 9 goals out of him at Christmas then sold him and he got double figures the year before... And now 15 this season. Levels above what we have now and easily good enough for the Championship. |
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Post by jaiyenyen on Jul 29, 2020 3:23:35 GMT
There is no way TH is allowing SS to be paid £25k a week out of the Deepdale pot. That may be what he earned in Scotland but not here. He’s possibly still being subsidised by Celtic. Also Maguire wont be on £8k a week after being signed for the Irish League.
The article even says its basically an intelligent guess not official.
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Post by Mickypne on Jul 29, 2020 6:27:01 GMT
I cannot believe anyone would want Hugill back . TH got lucky, He is not good enough at this level and it will cost millions The best we got out of him was 10 goals a season . He may have scored more for QPR this season but that is one off and with Eze. Going he will be in single figures next season . Stick to the debates on financial matters and how the club is run because it seems you don't know much about the ability of a footballer 👍 |
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Post by walburghian on Jul 29, 2020 6:58:25 GMT
SS is our player and his Contract is with us. Celtic have no reason or ability to pay the Wages of a player belonging to another club. However, they a) may have given a lump sum to support the outstanding wages on their contract as part of the deal or b) the contract stipulated that they would undertake to pay the outstanding wages in instalments until the end of his prior contract with them. That being the case, I would take back my previous comments. However, the fact that North Ends results worsened after he arrived still pose a question.
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Post by nextownerofpne on Jul 29, 2020 7:42:01 GMT
Cannot believe I am replying to this but I will .
PNE 69 games. 23 goals
Middlesbrough 20 games 6 goals
QPR. 30 games 13 goals
It does not take a genius to calculate that he averages a goal every three games throughout his careers .
On that basis we would be buying a one dimensional player with a poor first touch who averages 13 goals a season .
In addition he is on Prem wages .
DJ is not far off from midfield .
If that is as high as we are setting the bar we may as well not bother as he will not make a difference and probably will not play much more than Stockley
There were many on this board who were pleased to see him go .
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Post by nextownerofpne on Jul 29, 2020 8:00:12 GMT
Several other points from someone who obviously knows nothing .
1. Hugill has no more pace than Stockley and does not suit the way we play.
2, Stockley has only started 17 times for PNE.
3 he has scored 4 league goals only slightly worse than Hugill record .
But hey,, Mooney thinks Hugill will be our saviour and make us a Prem team so who am I to argue.
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 29, 2020 8:02:27 GMT
Cannot believe I am replying to this but I will . PNE 69 games. 23 goals Middlesbrough 20 games 6 goals QPR. 30 games 13 goals It does not take a genius to calculate that he averages a goal every three games throughout his careers . On that basis we would be buying a one dimensional player with a poor first touch who averages 13 goals a season . In addition he is on Prem wages . DJ is not far off from midfield . If that is as high as we are setting the bar we may as well not bother as he will not make a difference and probably will not play much more than Stockley There were many on this board who were pleased to see him go . Totally agree with Mooney, I’d have Hugill back in a heartbeat. 13 extra goals this season would have seen us easily in the play offs would they not? Poor first touch? One dimensional? Hmmmmm.......... are we talking about the same player? Sure he’s not Zlatan Ibrahimovic but he’s certainly a very useful target man at this level. Let’s not be silly DJ scored 8 pens (I may be wrong) last season, without those he would get nowhere near the 13 you quoted, he would still be labelled as ‘lazy’ and certainly wouldn’t have got anywhere near POTY. Just an opinion of course. Out of interest, genuine question, who would be an acceptable signing if Hugill is not good enough? |
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 29, 2020 8:03:15 GMT
Several other points from someone who obviously knows nothing . 1. Hugill has no more pace than Stockley and does not suit the way we play. 2, Stockley has only started 17 times for PNE. 3 he has scored 4 league goals only slightly worse than Hugill record . But hey,, Mooney thinks Hugill will be our saviour and make us a Prem team so who am I to argue. Several other points 🤷♂️🤦♂️ You mean 3.......... As for the content of your 3 points........ correct you obviously know nothing. There is so much wrong with this post 🤦♂️ |
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Post by jaiyenyen on Jul 29, 2020 8:21:16 GMT
Several other points from someone who obviously knows nothing . 1. Hugill has no more pace than Stockley and does not suit the way we play. 2, Stockley has only started 17 times for PNE. 3 he has scored 4 league goals only slightly worse than Hugill record . But hey,, Mooney thinks Hugill will be our saviour and make us a Prem team so who am I to argue. There is some much wrong with that post 🤦♂️ Hugill is far quicker than Stockley, more mobility, better in the air, better target man, better at long range, better at taking on players and a better football brain. Beyond that they are fairly similar. Does that cover it  |
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Post by jaiyenyen on Jul 29, 2020 8:25:28 GMT
SS is our player and his Contract is with us. Celtic have no reason or ability to pay the Wages of a player belonging to another club. However, they a) may have given a lump sum to support the outstanding wages on their contract as part of the deal or b) the contract stipulated that they would undertake to pay the outstanding wages in instalments until the end of his prior contract with them. That being the case, I would take back my previous comments. However, the fact that North Ends results worsened after he arrived still pose a question. , its quite the norm for players and managers leaving a club that some / all of their contract is paid up, usually monthly. |
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Post by superiorno1pne on Jul 29, 2020 8:33:18 GMT
Hugill sorry going to upset a few here - not for me thought then as I do now (like everyone elses darling Bailey Wright)good money for him and Robinson also both never premier league players and in BW first division player at best. Hugill loved his passion and I bet he is a great pro so it is nothing personal. He needs too many chances as for Stockley jury is still out he needs the amount of games Hugill had before we can make comparisons. Excellent debate though, and as we know the game is all about opinions.
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 29, 2020 8:35:21 GMT
There is some much wrong with that post 🤦♂️ Hugill is far quicker than Stockley, more mobility, better in the air, better target man, better at long range, better at taking on players and a better football brain. Beyond that they are fairly similar. Does that cover it Does not suit the way we play 🤦♂️ |
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 29, 2020 8:41:31 GMT
Hugill sorry going to upset a few here - not for me thought then as I do now (like everyone elses darling Bailey Wright)good money for him and Robinson also both never premier league players and in BW first division player at best. Hugill loved his passion and I bet he is a great pro so it is nothing personal. He needs too many chances as for Stockley jury is still out he needs the amount of games Hugill had before we can make comparisons. Excellent debate though, and as we know the game is all about opinions. All about opinion SUP I suppose 👍. I agree with the opinions of Grayson, Neil, Moyes, Pulis and Warburton on this one though and believe Hugill is very useful at this level. One thing is for sure Hugill is no Timothee Dieng. 😳👍 Bailey Wright on the other hand I totally agree with you. |
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Post by nextownerofpne on Jul 29, 2020 9:18:01 GMT
Grayson played him in 1st Division which is about his standard
Moyers got rid without even playing him
Pulis got rid after 20 games
I do not see any great support from the managers he has played for.
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Post by superiorno1pne on Jul 29, 2020 9:21:38 GMT
Chris rabbit punch me with big Tim!! Good player one that got away however (not that I am blowing my own trumpet!) I usually call the good ones! Going back to Jordan oh yes he is very good at this level I liked him a lot however, as per Robinson you dont turn that type of money down. If Moysie by some miracle said we could have him on loan I would gladly have him back would he be the difference to firmly make us a top six side hhhmmmmmm I think not!
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Post by superiorno1pne on Jul 29, 2020 9:23:52 GMT
Now get me Adam Reach and I would sit up
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 29, 2020 9:38:16 GMT
Grayson played him in 1st Division which is about his standard Moyers got rid without even playing him Pulis got rid after 20 games I do not see any great support from the managers he has played for. Incorrect. Grayson rarely played Hugill (Garner, Beckford and Davies) in league 1, it was the 2016/17 season in the Championship in which Grayson started playing Hugill with any regularity scoring 10 league goals. 👍 As a matter of fact Hugill has not played in lower than Championship level since 2015 so to say league one is his level is ridiculous. Incorrect again, Moyes did play him albeit briefly with 3 cameo appearances totalling 22 minutes of football. Moyes paid good money for him so must have seen something your expert eye does not. Granted Premier league football has proven a step to far for Hugill but that’s not what we are debating, we are debating his ability to play at Championship level. Pulis got rid. 🤷♂️ Are you sure his loan didn’t just expire in the May. Obviously saw something in Hugill to sign him in the first place. Agreed his loan spell at Boro didn’t cover him in glory. 👍 but this season he’s been good at QPR. |
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 29, 2020 9:44:03 GMT
Chris rabbit punch me with big Tim!! Good player one that got away however (not that I am blowing my own trumpet!) I usually call the good ones! Going back to Jordan oh yes he is very good at this level I liked him a lot however, as per Robinson you dont turn that type of money down. If Moysie by some miracle said we could have him on loan I would gladly have him back would he be the difference to firmly make us a top six side hhhmmmmmm I think not! Would an extra 13 goals this season not have seen us Turn a couple of draws into wins and gain us the extra points required for the play offs? 🤷♂️ Would we not have been a different proposition going forward last season with a decent/effective championship striker like Hugill in the side. 🤷♂️ Adam Reach, yes please. 👍 |
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Post by pne1971 on Jul 29, 2020 15:03:56 GMT
Hugill would be perfect for us, great pro, works hard, chips in with double figures of goals and imo would have seen us top 4 at least..
Who the hell we could get that is better on the money we pay, ive no idea..
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jul 29, 2020 15:32:49 GMT
Hugill closes down and chases ‘lost causes’. Shame he left but had to try his arm at top level. Perfect for us IMO and time may show he had his best days at PNE like an exhaustive list of others.
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jul 29, 2020 18:44:39 GMT
Reach has been out of favour as well towards the end of this season! Fee and wages are out of the question though.
Totally agree Hugill never Prem standard but overall he performed well for us.
Generally I am not in favour of players going back, rarely works. There are exceptions of course.
Nobody is mentioning Moult...I thought he was coming along nicely until he was injured. Certainly more mobile than Stockley. I am certainly not for writing him off. Stockley and Moult with Sinclair playing off them...now there's a thought. Certainly keep any defence at this level tied up.
However it doesn't matter who is at the front if there's nobody supplying the ammunition. I thought the way we played in the last couple of games was refreshing, very welcome to see players getting forward. What's the chance of this continuing? That is what's likely to make the biggest difference to the goal tally, esp. away from home.
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Post by walburghian on Jul 29, 2020 21:05:43 GMT
Agree, for a change 😅
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Post by nextownerofpne on Jul 29, 2020 22:48:20 GMT
You guys have short memories, most on this site did not rate Hugill when he was at the club, suddenly he is our saviour.
Better that Stockley in every department including in the air... I do not think Stockley is any better than Hugill overall but he definitely better in the air .
Why would we sign Hugill when we have Stockley
Post sfter post complained that when he played we booted the call up to him and it came straight back .
Goal tally no better than 1 in three throughout his career , that is rubbish .
A hard worker maybe but so is Barki and Seani , both patently not good enough no matter how hard they work .
If a thirteen goal old fashioned striker is the height of our ambitions then we are going nowhere.
You should speak to a few QPR supporters they are not that impressed .
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jul 30, 2020 7:29:26 GMT
One goal in every 3 games over several seasons for a Champ striker is exceptionally good...not 'rubbish'....very few indeed can match it.
Hugill is right up there amongst the Champ's top strikers, this season averaging a goal for every 218 mins on the pitch....beats the likes of Benrahma (for whom Chelsea are said to be willing to pay £40m), Diedhou for whom Bristol City paid £5.3m. Likes of Assombologa , cost Boro £13m, are not even in the top two dozen Champ strikers this season...and as for Brereton, cost Rovers £8m, his goal tally is one , maybe two.
Shows throwing money you have not got at a 'striker' isn't necessarily the answer.
The problem when Hugill was in the team is the style of football that was being played...far too often the ball was pinged into him from deep with nobody around him...the nonsense of a lone striker and not havong anyone around him to lay off to..... and the failure of not having wingers in the team capable of beating a full back and and getting to the line before pulling a ball back or of being able to put in a cross from an angle that did not require Hugill to play with his back to goal.
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Barkhuizen is frustrating..earlier this last season I saw him repeatedly skim the best lb in the Champ at Craven Cottage, caused Fulham all sorts of problems. At other times he has a touch like a dog and his passing is abysmal. However he remains the only player in the squad with real pace, enough to cause opposition problems..
Maguire, works his socks off for the side..end product almost never there...needs to drop down a div.
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Post by Mickypne on Jul 30, 2020 7:36:03 GMT
You guys have short memories, most on this site did not rate Hugill when he was at the club, suddenly he is our saviour. Better that Stockley in every department including in the air... I do not think Stockley is any better than Hugill overall but he definitely better in the air . Why would we sign Hugill when we have Stockley Post sfter post complained that when he played we booted the call up to him and it came straight back . Goal tally no better than 1 in three throughout his career , that is rubbish . A hard worker maybe but so is Barki and Seani , both patently not good enough no matter how hard they work . If a thirteen goal old fashioned striker is the height of our ambitions then we are going nowhere. You should speak to a few QPR supporters they are not that impressed . Hugill in 2 seasons with them goals figures you come with and say are quite low? Well our strikers all 3 of them (1 injured so can't say 4) scored a lot less than hugill did in one season. His return at Deepdale wasn't that bad. Especially when you consider he was a lone striker. The only thing stockley has on hugill is his ariel ability. Hugill beats him hands down in every other department. You may come back and say well look at the lads at wba or Brentford scoring 20na season. Yes we'll they aren't realistic targets for pne. Hugill and a loan could be. |
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 30, 2020 8:06:04 GMT
One goal in every 3 games over several seasons for a Champ striker is exceptionally good...not 'rubbish'....very few indeed can match it. Hugill is right up there amongst the Champ's top strikers, this season averaging a goal for every 218 mins on the pitch....beats the likes of Benrahma (for whom Chelsea are said to be willing to pay £40m), Diedhou for whom Bristol City paid £5.3m. Likes of Assombologa , cost Boro £13m, are not even in the top two dozen Champ strikers this season...and as for Brereton, cost Rovers £8m, his goal tally is one , maybe two. Shows throwing money you have not got at a 'striker' isn't necessarily the answer. The problem when Hugill was in the team is the style of football that was being played...far too often the ball was pinged into him from deep with nobody around him...the nonsense of a lone striker and not havong anyone around him to lay off to..... and the failure of not having wingers in the team capable of beating a full back and and getting to the line before pulling a ball back or of being able to put in a cross from an angle that did not require Hugill to play with his back to goal. ---- Barkhuizen is frustrating..earlier this last season I saw him repeatedly skim the best lb in the Champ at Craven Cottage, caused Fulham all sorts of problems. At other times he has a touch like a dog and his passing is abysmal. However he remains the only player in the squad with real pace, enough to cause opposition problems.. Maguire, works his socks off for the side..end product almost never there...needs to drop down a div. This 👏 completely agree. Out of interest who would be an acceptable target considering Hugill is apparently not? |
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Post by pne1971 on Jul 30, 2020 8:45:51 GMT
Moult did look like he had something for a couple of games, Maguire even looks as though if he could get a couple he may be up and running, Stockley at times looked unplayable too. (Sadly Nugent looks lost imo).
The issue with the players we have imo is that AN’s tactics don’t play to their strengths. It showed a little in lockdown football when we went 3 at the back and 2 up top that they looked better.
Hugill is the ideal loan striker. Powerful runner, header of the ball and can hold it up. (A top championship version of Garner) so unless AN changes his tactics we desperately need a Hugill type.
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