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Post by themaclad on Jul 4, 2020 20:19:27 GMT
Pulis, hughton and aisnworth top three. They better stay away from our aisnworth! I would be interested in giving Ainsworth a try, or Grezza. Alexander no thanks |
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Post by px6 on Jul 4, 2020 20:31:00 GMT
Pulis, hughton and aisnworth top three. They better stay away from our aisnworth! I would be interested in giving Ainsworth a try, or Grezza. Aisnworth yes, grezza not so much for me. Aisnworths proved he can work on a tight budget, longevity and play good football. He’s had a few rebuilds with Wycombe. Selling key players and still competing. Would swap in a heartbeat now with AN. |
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Post by Bobby Ham's sarnie on Jul 4, 2020 22:31:55 GMT
PR should play no part in the recruitment of a new manager based on his recent record with us, Wesley & Neil's appointments being prime examples of his failure.
TH please use professional recruiters when the time comes.
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 4, 2020 22:37:13 GMT
PR should play no part in the recruitment of a new manager based on his recent record with us, Wesley & Neil's appointments being prime examples of his failure. TH please use professional recruiters when the time comes. Alex Neil hasn’t been horrendous. What about Grayson? Or do we ignore his successful appointment to suit this particular agenda? PR gets a lot of stick for so called scouting and signing players but under Grayson we signed some really good players. Clarke, Browne, Mcgeady, Pearson, Gallagher, Beckford, Barkhuizen, Hugill, Cunningham, Robinson...... Or does it suit the agenda to blame PR for our recent rubbish signings under Neil and not give him credit for the Grayson signings.🤷♂️ For what it’s worth I think Grayson was good in the transfer market and Neil is rubbish, scouting has nothing to do with PR. |
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jul 4, 2020 23:33:59 GMT
PR should play no part in the recruitment of a new manager based on his recent record with us, Wesley & Neil's appointments being prime examples of his failure. TH please use professional recruiters when the time comes. Alex Neil hasn’t been horrendous. What about Grayson? Or do we ignore his successful appointment to suit this particular agenda? PR gets a lot of stick for so called scouting and signing players but under Grayson we signed some really good players. Clarke, Browne, Mcgeady, Pearson, Gallagher, Beckford, Barkhuizen, Hugill, Cunningham, Robinson...... Or does it suit the agenda to blame PR for our recent rubbish signings under Neil and not give him credit for the Grayson signings.🤷♂️ For what it’s worth I think Grayson was good in the transfer market and Neil is rubbish, scouting has nothing to do with PR. , I think as fans we deserve to know the hierarchy in the club in terms of signings. What influence does AN have? PR? fairly sure TH has his say. It's not working. If we sign someone AN doesn't rate, what chance does he have? e.g Bayliss. |
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 4, 2020 23:43:54 GMT
Alex Neil hasn’t been horrendous. What about Grayson? Or do we ignore his successful appointment to suit this particular agenda? PR gets a lot of stick for so called scouting and signing players but under Grayson we signed some really good players. Clarke, Browne, Mcgeady, Pearson, Gallagher, Beckford, Barkhuizen, Hugill, Cunningham, Robinson...... Or does it suit the agenda to blame PR for our recent rubbish signings under Neil and not give him credit for the Grayson signings.🤷♂️ For what it’s worth I think Grayson was good in the transfer market and Neil is rubbish, scouting has nothing to do with PR. , I think as fans we deserve to know the hierarchy in the club in terms of signings. What influence does AN have? PR? fairly sure TH has his say. It's not working. If we sign someone AN doesn't rate, what chance does he have? e.g Bayliss. I agree PW it would be nice to know how the process works, as it stands it’s just speculation. I believe it’s a very foolish move from any manager not run the rule over any potential signings as your job depends on the quality of your signings. I know certain people believe PR does all the scouting and signing of players but won’t give him credit for the good signings made in Graysons reign yet very quick to slate him and the club for the poor signings under Alex Neil. 🤷♂️ I don’t believe he has the last say on transfers one bit. Alex Neils record of signing rubbish players dates back to his Norwich days yet I don’t remember PR being at Norwich to blame for this. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by jaiyenyen on Jul 5, 2020 3:38:51 GMT
 Joe Savage LinkedIn page. I had to go there as he isn’t mentioned on club website. Savage is an AN appointment, he did the same job at Norwich under Neil. I dont understand the confusion at scouting at Deepdale, the system will be the same as any other club. 1 -Manager asks his chief scout to look for a certain type of player(s) 2- Scout brings players to the managements attention outside the specific brief of above 3- Manager makes a request to the club to fund a signing(s) 4 - Club agrees or disagrees You can wrap up the titles or method any way you wish but the basic MOI is the same regardless of whether you are Liverpool, Rotherham or Stevenage only the scale or magnitude differs |
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Post by makemineapint on Jul 5, 2020 7:48:47 GMT
What Jai says above has to be the case or Alex Neil isn’t the manager he would be just 1st team coach.
Surely Ridsdale couldn’t do deals as he doesn’t work for the club and even if he did he couldn’t deal in the financial side until recently.
Hemmings is a successful business man and has numerous companies he will choose people to run these companies for him and will make the big decisions at boardroom level.
He will give them a budget and if they ask for more he will say yeah or nay, what he won’t be involved in is staff recruitment.
I can’t agree that they are signing players that Neil doesn’t want, I would agree that they may be signing players that are his second, third or even fourth choice but that would be true at all clubs as Jai points out.
As for the players if they are not good enough it is not their fault, how much they get paid is not their fault, if they don’t give 100% that is their fault and they need to be moved on.
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Post by Bobby Ham's sarnie on Jul 5, 2020 19:13:02 GMT
I agree that Grayson was good as he got us promoted from Division 1.
However Westley & Neil (who I don't consider horrendous) have proved to be not very good.
Based on that record, I would consider it prudent not to involve PR in the selection process.
Personally, I'm surprised TH is not more demanding of PR and seems to accept second best when it comes to running the football club
I bet he wouldn't last as long in TH's other companies.
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 5, 2020 19:29:47 GMT
I agree that Grayson was good as he got us promoted from Division 1. However Westley & Neil (who I don't consider horrendous) have proved to be not very good. Based on that record, I would consider it prudent not to involve PR in the selection process. Personally, I'm surprised TH is not more demanding of PR and seems to accept second best when it comes to running the football club I bet he wouldn't last as long in TH's other companies. I read a lot of negativity towards PR Bob but I don’t understand why? Genuine question, I honestly don’t see a reason for this or am I being stupid.🤷♂️ |
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Post by Bobby Ham's sarnie on Jul 5, 2020 19:45:44 GMT
Chris
When he arrived he had been banned from involvement in running a business by the sit for shall we say a lapse in judgment. I didn't think it right that the club associated itself with him.
I'm also disappointed that his so called football connections didn't result in better signings.
I don't hate the guy.
In fact I always remember his tv appearance following the fatal stabbing of a Leeds fan in Istanbul as statesmanlike.
That's what I was expecting us to bring to the table.
Would I like a pint with him? You bet.
We all want the club to be successful.
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 5, 2020 20:30:24 GMT
Chris When he arrived he had been banned from involvement in running a business by the sit for shall we say a lapse in judgment. I didn't think it right that the club associated itself with him. I'm also disappointed that his so called football connections didn't result in better signings. I don't hate the guy. In fact I always remember his tv appearance following the fatal stabbing of a Leeds fan in Istanbul as statesmanlike. That's what I was expecting us to bring to the table. Would I like a pint with him? You bet. We all want the club to be successful. m Like I said genuinely did wonder. From the outside looking in it seems to me he’s fine a decent job but I do agree with your first point. 👍 |
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Post by northender on Jul 5, 2020 23:32:15 GMT
PR should play no part in the recruitment of a new manager based on his recent record with us, Wesley & Neil's appointments being prime examples of his failure. TH please use professional recruiters when the time comes. scouting has nothing to do with PR. PR goes to watch players quite a lot.
For what it's worth I don't think our poor business is down to our scouting, Joe Savage or even the manager. We've clearly identified good targets at times but then the money isn't there.
When you're always signing your 3rd or 4th choice it usually shows. Replacing Hugill with a cheap option from L2 (Stockley) after missing out on several strikers over a 12 month period. The budget for Cunningham's replacement stretched to about 200k for Hughes. You can only sell high and buy low for so long until the well runs dry and the quality of the squad begins to decline.
Every manager we have will have to deal with interference from above too. It's well documented that it was the owner who instructed PR to sign Nugent last summer, he wasn't a Neil target. The same has happened to Simon Grayson too with the likes of Doyle and Pringle on 3 year deals. And there's not a cat in hell's chance that off the back of a 7th placed finish, Graham Burke from Shamrock Rovers was a target identified by Alex Neil.
When you add it all together it's an incoherant mess and it's no wonder why we're struggling in the market.
Changing managers won't change anything regarding recruitment.
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Post by walburghian on Jul 6, 2020 18:47:02 GMT
scouting has nothing to do with PR. PR goes to watch players quite a lot.
For what it's worth I don't think our poor business is down to our scouting, Joe Savage or even the manager. We've clearly identified good targets at times but then the money isn't there. When you're always signing your 3rd or 4th choice it usually shows. Replacing Hugill with a cheap option from L2 (Stockley) after missing out on several strikers over a 12 month period. The budget for Cunningham's replacement stretched to about 200k for Hughes. You can only sell high and buy low for so long until the well runs dry and the quality of the squad begins to decline.
Every manager we have will have to deal with interference from above too. It's well documented that it was the owner who instructed PR to sign Nugent last summer, he wasn't a Neil target. The same has happened to Simon Grayson too with the likes of Doyle and Pringle on 3 year deals. And there's not a cat in hell's chance that off the back of a 7th placed finish, Graham Burke from Shamrock Rovers was a target identified by Alex Neil.
When you add it all together it's an incoherant mess and it's no wonder why we're struggling in the market. Changing managers won't change anything regarding recruitment.
Viz your final sentence, the change the way we recruit. It is not fit for purpose. How can we /should we recruit expensive Midfielders when a) we have enough of them and b) we have weaknesses in other areas that we are overlooking. No Strikers, no reserve LB, no decent understudy Goallie etc etc. Disgraceful lack of judgement to expend money that could be better used in positions that we had reasonable cover. Just add up what we have spent on Bayliss and Potts /Ledson /Harrop /Ginelly etc. Madness |
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jul 9, 2020 18:48:26 GMT
Leeds 5-0 winners. Bottle jobs.
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jul 9, 2020 19:05:06 GMT
Only 4 teams are not involved in promotion or relegation. Three really because Sheff Wed may be docked points. Wigan maybe too? QPR and Reading are going nowhere. Everything else is up for grabs.
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Post by PNE From Afar on Jul 10, 2020 6:59:47 GMT
C'MON FULHAM!
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Post by ginagee on Jul 14, 2020 17:52:28 GMT
Wigan 7 (SEVEN) Hull 0 @ Half time
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Post by themaclad on Jul 14, 2020 18:34:06 GMT
Now 8-0
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Post by walburghian on Jul 14, 2020 20:47:49 GMT
Looks like curtains for us after Cardiff win vs Derby . They will win vs Hull and we then need to beat Brentford. Possible but not likely. Still we have put in a good performance this Season. Come on you Lillywhites and beat Brentofrd tomorrow, despite what the Bookies say.  |
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 14, 2020 20:57:23 GMT
Rovers play off dream is now dead 😜👌
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Post by ginagee on Jul 14, 2020 21:14:22 GMT
Rovers play off dream is now dead 😜👌  |
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Post by themaclad on Jul 17, 2020 18:42:31 GMT
Leeds up Baggies turning into Devon Loch
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Post by chris1987 on Jul 17, 2020 18:56:26 GMT
Leeds up Baggies turning into Devon Loch I hope Brentford beat the baggies into 2nd. |
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jul 18, 2020 7:00:36 GMT
chris1987, so do I. Their progress until recently ran pretty parallel with ourselves. Good club, play good football, decent fans and moving into a new stadium. Good luck to them.
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Post by px6 on Jul 19, 2020 10:13:24 GMT
Got to listen to the leeds lovin on sky sports leeds for the next weeks or so now. Zzzzzz Why are they saying they’ve worked a miracle on a low budget?
They’ve bought costa for £15 million, Bamford for £10 million. Hardly a tight budget.
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jul 19, 2020 11:31:10 GMT
Because compared to the money clubs with parachute money get their turnover is relatively low with a total revenue at £49m last season. Clubs coming down are getting over £40m before anything else. When Villa come down at the end of this season they are likely to have a turnover around the £90m mark next season.
It's just around £13m at PNE with TH subsidy taking it over £19m.....and there's people around expecting the club to go out and splash out on goal scoring forwards!
Having said that given the level of external debt at many clubs we are at least as well of as half the clubs in the division even if on paper it doesn't seem that way...bigger gates and more commercial revenue mean that you can take a risk on being able to service debt. Dangerous strategy though these days.
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Post by oliver12 on Jul 19, 2020 12:57:20 GMT
Cowley’s gone from Huddersfield
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Post by walburghian on Jul 19, 2020 12:57:51 GMT
Watching Brentford lose (why couldn't they lose to us?), I thought that there was a serious issue re recruitment. We sold Hughill for £11M whatever and were looking for a Striker. Brentford bought Watkins fir £2M, we bought Stockley for peanuts. Who got the better deal and why?
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Post by makemineapint on Jul 19, 2020 13:20:39 GMT
Cowley’s gone from Huddersfield Winning against Brentford and sealing their safety so may as well get shut now and have first dibs on who is available?  |
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